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    Extending a Network with an Additional Router

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      Atreides
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      I think I didn't quite make things clear. The server is in a different room and a different part of the house so I can't bring in more than one connection to that other room. I was thinking vlans made the most sense but I only have one managed switch and it is being used in the room where my pfSense is connecting to other servers.

      This is what I meant to draw anyways, I won't be implementing it though.

      
       +-------------------------+ ------------------------------+
       |                         |  |   +--------+    +-------+  |
       |                       +-+ -----+Switch  +----+Router |  |
       |                       | |  |   +--------+    +-------+  |
       |                       | |  |          |       + +   |   |
       |      +---------+      | WALL        subneta         |   |
       |      | pfsense |      | |  |          +-----+       |   |
       |      |         |      | |  |                |  subnetb  |
       |      +---------+      | |  |                |  |        |
       |       + + + + +-------+ |  |              +-------+     |
       |                         |  |              |Server |     |
       |                         |  |              |       |     |
       |                         |  |              +-------+     |
       |                         |  |                            |
       |                         |  |                            |
       +-------------------------+ ------------------------------+
      
      

      I have plenty of free interfaces on my pfSense I just had no way to directly connect them to the server without buying another managed switch. I also just spent $400 on a managed switch and $100 on a dumb switch, I guess I should have bought a Smart Switch,  and my dad was making fun of me for buying all this new networking gear ;)

      I guess that's what I'll do, get a small managed switch. Is that one you mentioned a good option?

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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        What managed switch did you get for $400?

        Sure there are lots of people using that switch I linked too..

        Why exactly are you wanting to add a different network to this server?  I can understand the need of multiple network segments.. But why connect this server to more than 1 of those?  Are you trying to setup a management network, or SAN?  Why does the server need connections into more than 1 network?  Still don't see the point of the "router" in the other room?

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          Atreides
          last edited by

          I'm using FreeNAS and it only lets you use one interface per subnet

          I got this guy, and that was CAD after tax and shipping so not really $400.

          Guess i'll pick up another switch.

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          • jahonixJ
            jahonix
            last edited by

            @Atreides:

            Guess i'll pick up another switch.

            You already paid $100 for a dumb switch. Ouch, did it have 52 ports or golden jacks?  ;)
            Better get this one:
            https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Gigabit-Ethernet-Managed-TL-SG3210/dp/B006B7R3YC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1481065636&sr=1-1&keywords=tl-sg3210
            and when you manage it your quite familiar with the CLI or web interface since it's the same as in your TL-SG3424 minus a few ports.

            John's question still stands: why do you think you need multiple subnets on your FreeNAS? You can route to a single link with your pfSense already.
            Alternatively, you could send a trunk from your TL-SG3432 to a TL-SG3210 and untag different VLANs 'locally' in your NAS closet.

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              Atreides
              last edited by

              @jahonix:

              @Atreides:

              Guess i'll pick up another switch.

              You already paid $100 for a dumb switch. Ouch, did it have 52 ports or golden jacks?  ;)
              Better get this one:
              https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Gigabit-Ethernet-Managed-TL-SG3210/dp/B006B7R3YC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1481065636&sr=1-1&keywords=tl-sg3210
              and when you manage it your quite familiar with the CLI or web interface since it's the same as in your TL-SG3424 minus a few ports.

              John's question still stands: why do you think you need multiple subnets on your FreeNAS? You can route to a single link with your pfSense already.
              Alternatively, you could send a trunk from your TL-SG3432 to a TL-SG3210 and untag different VLANs 'locally' in your NAS closet.

              Well…. CAD and after shipping, so about $50

              That looks like perfect, thanks.

              I have a SAN that I could use another interface with.  I also tried setting them up as LACP but it had issues, I wanted to try MPIO but that requires multiple interfaces. I also run many services in jails and could use one interface for management and one for the jails.

              Here, read this.

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                Your link isn't working.. You wanted to link here

                https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/multiple-network-interfaces-on-a-single-subnet.20204/

                Ok - yeah agree you shouldn't have more than 1 interface in same network.. And to be honest your lacp would be pointless for anything other than failover..  Unless you have like a shitton of users.. If you have 1 box hitting your NAS, its only ever going to use 1 leg of that lacp connection.  Lagg, etherchannel, portchannel, lacp - whatever term you want to use is 1 + 1 = 1+1 it does not equal 2..

                So your using fiberchannel to this NAS, or IiSCSI or SAS??  That would be when you could use MPIO.. Or is this just sharing files via smb/cifs ??

                So is your idea to use the 1 interface for management in a management vlan,  So your jails are going to share the same interface you share your files off of.. Or you can most likely have the NAS break up the vlans after you just connect it to a trunk.

                Then you only need 1 interface.. So again going to ask why do you want or think you need to connect both of these interfaces.  Are you trying to get more speed?  What?

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                  Atreides
                  last edited by

                  Or you can most likely have the NAS break up the vlans after you just connect it to a trunk.

                  Could you elaborate on this? How would the NAS break up the VLANs?

                  A fairly big part of it is I have an extra nic and I wanted to use it for something. It's not so much that I NEED to do anything with it.

                  It would be nice to be able to experiment with some of this stuff and right now I'm not able to. I'm not so much trying to fix a problem.

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                    Guest
                    last edited by

                    Perhaps it might be better to get one real good device able to manage that then two of them!?

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                      VLANs, LAGs, Layer3,…...
                      -  MikroTik RB850Gx2
                      Can do all things you are asking for
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                      Atreides
                      last edited by

                      @BlueKobold:

                      Perhaps it might be better to get one real good device able to manage that then two of them!?

                      • Cisco SG300-10
                        VLANs, LAGs, Layer3,…...
                        -  MikroTik RB850Gx2
                        Can do all things you are asking for

                      I already have a TP Link TL-SG3424 but thanks. I also needed more ports and I think L2 is sufficient.

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                        It would be nice to be able to experiment with some of this stuff and right now I'm not able to. I'm not so much trying to fix a problem.

                        Like what?  vlans - you have a managed switch..  Just not getting why you think you need a 2nd router to do vlans?  And not sure what you think having your nas in multiple networks gets you?  If you want to have your devices access files off this nas with using a different interface ok.  But then really your devices need an interface in this other network, etc.

                        If you want to setup a management vlan and have your nas have its normal network that it serves up files on, and then a management network you access it from to admin it, ok.  But then your devices you will manage from really need to be in this managment vlan or again its pointless.

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