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    • ?
      Guest
      last edited by

      @Derelict:

      You should be doing something like routing a /60 out of the /56 to the secondary router for use on local interfaces there.

      This is why the original recommendation for a minimum allocation to an end user was /48 (RFC 3177, unfortunately obsoleted by RFC 6177. And even with 6177 ISPs are woefully clueless).

      Thanks Derelict, so changing the 64 to 60 it should then work?

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      • DerelictD
        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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        Not necessarily.

        This is how I delegate /56 prefixes downstream in the lab stack:

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          Guest
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          I have the prefixes delegating fine.. I think.

          Here's what I am getting. On the Primary Router LAN address is 2a02:xxxx:xx0:4c00:20d:b9ff:fe3e:d7cd
          Windows 10 client, yes I know W10 is an awkward git                2a02:xxxx:xx0:4c00:5152:1e20:e6e2:81b6

          Test Router WAN interface is                                                    2a02:xxxx:xx0:4c00:20d:b9ff:fe44:7270 
          Test Router LAN interface is                                                      2a02:xxxx:xx0:4c02:20d:b9ff:fe44:7271

          Windows 10 client on that LAN                                                  2a02:xxxx:xx0:4c02:7:3415:fd94:2f33

          I can manually add a gateway and route to the primary router, then it works, is that the norm or am I completely wide of the mark?

          edit:

          Think I am getting my head around this. dhcp6c puts a /64 prefix on the LAN, which means that in my case, with a /56 prefix the last eight bits of the prefix on my LAN are always going to be 0. Any /64 prefix delegation on my LAN will be be using those eight bits, thus giving my my 256 sub nets.

          The question therefore is this, should dhcpd ( or pfSense ) be adding a gateway and route to the LAN side of the primary server to route any traffic not destined for the '0' subnet to the delegated subnet? With a static WAN allocation this would not be much of an issue, but with a DHCP PD it will be. Ah, just found this after a quick search, seems someone else has fallen foul of this:

          http://serverfault.com/questions/527336/prefix-delegation-and-route-creation

          and that leads me onto quagga - Something else to get my head around!

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          • DerelictD
            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
            last edited by

            Three ways to assign IPv6 to a host:

            Static
            SLAAC
            DHCPv6

            Two ways to assign IPv6 to a router:
            Static
            DHCPv6 with a prefix delegation.

            What happens on the second router's LAN and what it does with the PD is up to that router.

            SLAAC and DHCPv6 do not set "default gateways" like in IPv4. They are set using router solicitations/advertisements unless statically.configured.

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              Guest
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              Yes, i've found that out.  :)

              As i said, the ping goes all the way out to the wan as router 2 knows where to forward the packets to. On the reply,  router 1 receives  the packet but does not know to forward it to the 2nd router.

              For now I've added a static route and gateway and it's working. Its not a configuration I intend to use often, but I'm playing with dibbler and needed it configured that way for testing.

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              • DerelictD
                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                last edited by

                A proper PD from the first router should also create a route for that PD to the downstream router's WAN interface.

                My DHCP6 server is 2.3.2_1, however. Should be 2.4 real soon now. In fact. This is as good a time as any.

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                  Guest
                  last edited by

                  @Derelict:

                  A proper PD from the first router should also create a route for that PD to the downstream router's WAN interface.

                  My DHCP6 server is 2.3.2_1, however. Should be 2.4 real soon now. In fact. This is as good a time as any.

                  Running 2.4 on both routers, not there yet or if it is, mine doesnt work!

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                  • DerelictD
                    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                    last edited by

                    Haven't gotten there yet but also have not heard oany problems there so it's probably something you've done.

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                      Guest
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                      @marjohn did you get to the bottom of this ?

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                        Guest
                        last edited by

                        Nix…

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                        • MikeV7896M
                          MikeV7896
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                          It should be noted that if router 1 gets its IPv6 prefix from your ISP via DHCPv6-PD, pfSense is not set up to subdelegate parts of that prefix to downstream routers (unless this has changed in 2.4; it doesn't work in 2.3.2).

                          For example… if you get a /56 or /60 from your ISP via DHCPv6-PD, you can't sub-delegate /64's to downstream routers on your network.

                          The S in IOT stands for Security

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                          • DerelictD
                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by

                            I don't see why you couldn't slice out a piece of the delegated prefix for dhcpv6 downstream PD.

                            You would need at least one interface outside that set as track interface or the PD will not happen.

                            You would also have to manually change the DHCPv6 PD config if the ISP gave you a different PD.

                            Haven't tested though. All my DHCPv6 server PDs are from a static /48 here. (HE)

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                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                              Guest
                              last edited by

                              @Derelict:

                              I don't see why you couldn't slice out a piece of the delegated prefix for dhcpv6 downstream PD.

                              You would need at least one interface outside that set as track interface or the PD will not happen.

                              You would also have to manually change the DHCPv6 PD config if the ISP gave you a different PD.

                              Haven't tested though. All my DHCPv6 server PDs are from a static /48 here. (HE)

                              And indeed you can, but you'll need to manually set that route and gateway up. I've been through 2.4's code and I cannot see anywhere where DHCPD or any hooks from dhcpd will set up that route and gateway for you.

                              As I said, not a major issue or me anyway, and I know for a fact that the ISP's supplied routers are not capable of anything like that at present. Maybe down the road it will happen.

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                              • DerelictD
                                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                last edited by

                                Not a problem in 2.4.

                                Just routed a /56 to a 2.4 VM and set up /60 PDs behind it. Client is also 2.4.

                                Routing table:
                                2001:470:xxxx:7df0::/60 2001:470:xxxx:7e01::32a2 UGS 0 1500 xn0

                                DHCPv6 leases:
                                2001:470:xxxx:7df0::/60
                                Routed To: 2001:470:xxxx:7e01::32a2

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                                DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                  Guest
                                  last edited by

                                  I take it back :)

                                  The question is then, what I am I doing wrong that you are doing right, or maybe it just won't work were LAN IPv6 tracks the WAN interface.

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                                  • DerelictD
                                    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                    last edited by

                                    The client VM there is a default config with DHCPv6 on WAN and tracking LAN.

                                    Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                    A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                    DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                    Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                      Guest
                                      last edited by

                                      So what does your prefix delegation range entry look like on the dhcp6 server and RA when you have selected /60 as the prefix delegation size?

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                                      • DerelictD
                                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                        last edited by

                                        Routed subnet: 2001:470:xxxx:7d00::/56

                                        Prefix delegation range:
                                        From: 2001:470:xxxx:7d00:: To: 2001:470:xxxx:7df0::
                                        Prefix delegation size: 60

                                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                        • ?
                                          Guest
                                          last edited by

                                          Ah, I think I see the error of my ways.

                                          I'll confirm that shortly.

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                                          • ?
                                            Guest
                                            last edited by

                                            Indeed yes… Thank you Derelict. Simple error on my part.

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