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    SSH: Couldn't agree a key algorithm (available: curve25519-sha256@libssh.org)

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    • jimpJ
      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
      last edited by

      Good news, ChaCha20 is coming to SecureCRT

      You previously requested support for the ChaCha20-Poly1305 cipher for SSH2
      sessions.  This has been implemented in a pre-beta version of SecureCRT and SecureFX.

      If you would be interested in trying it, please let me know which product(s) and
      platform(s) you need.

      Products:

      SecureCRT
      SecureCRT and SecureFX

      Platforms:

      Windows (64-bit)
      Windows (32-bit)
      Mac OS X (10.11 and later)
      Linux (Ubuntu 16.x, 64-bit)
      Linux (Ubuntu 16.x, 32-bit)
      Linux (Ubuntu 14.x and 15.x, 64-bit)
      Linux (Ubuntu 14.x and 15.x, 32-bit)
      Linux (RHEL 7.0)

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by

        Yeah I just emailed her, says on my thread to contact her for access to the prebeta ;)

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          chrcoluk
          last edited by

          yeah she emailed me about it some days back, no GCM still but at least CHACHA is something.

          pfSense CE 2.7.2

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by

            So got the new secure beta.. And finally

            [LOCAL] : Available Remote Send Ciphers = chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes128-ctr
            [LOCAL] : Selected Send Cipher = chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com
            [LOCAL] : Available Remote Recv Ciphers = chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes128-ctr
            [LOCAL] : Selected Recv Cipher = chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com

            Now they just need to add GCM ;)

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              riahc3 Banned
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              @jimp:

              FYI- We disabled some older, weaker, ssh key exchange algorithms. It won't be uncommon to find some older programs that use ssh directly or via things like libssh, that will need to be updated.

              How do you reenable them?

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                last edited by

                Why would you need to re-enable them.. They have been disabled for a reason, ie not secure.. Update your client is the correct fix here..

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                  riahc3 Banned
                  last edited by

                  @johnpoz:

                  Why would you need to re-enable them.. They have been disabled for a reason, ie not secure.. Update your client is the correct fix here..

                  Thats awesome.

                  How do you reenable them?

                  (For the record, yes, I am fully aware that many companies in 2016-2017, made SHA1 deprecated)

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                    kpa
                    last edited by

                    You re-enable them by rolling your own custom version of pfSense where you enable them in the openssh configuration. Oh and forget any official support if you follow that route.

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                      riahc3 Banned
                      last edited by

                      @kpa:

                      You re-enable them by rolling your own custom version of pfSense where you enable them in the openssh configuration. Oh and forget any official support if you follow that route.

                      No.

                      From the posts in this thread, they were disabled not removed (ala PPTP). They should be able to be enabled (under your own responsability)

                      The issue for example is that PPTP was warned several months in advance that it was going to get removed. Maybe I missed it for SHA1 but…

                      The point is that this thread only talks about it is disabled, not removed so...

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                        last edited by

                        "How do you reenable them?"

                        You edit your sshd_conf to use the what you want.. But again I am going to stress they were disabled for a REASON!!!

                        
                        [2.4.0-BETA][root@pfsense.local.lan]/etc/ssh: cat sshd_config 
                        # This file is automatically generated at startup
                        KexAlgorithms curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256
                        Port 22
                        Protocol 2
                        HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
                        HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key
                        Compression yes
                        ClientAliveInterval 30
                        PermitRootLogin yes
                        # Login via Key only
                        ChallengeResponseAuthentication no
                        PasswordAuthentication no
                        PubkeyAuthentication yes
                        UsePAM no
                        UseDNS no
                        LoginGraceTime 30s
                        VersionAddendum none
                        X11Forwarding no
                        Ciphers chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes128-ctr
                        MACs hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-ripemd160-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-ripemd160,umac-128@openssh.com
                        # override default of no subsystems
                        Subsystem       sftp    /usr/libexec/sftp-server
                        
                        

                        Notice the part that says this file created at startup.. So you would have to edit sshd script that does the creation.  Or you could use the sshd_extra file pretty sure..

                        I can not stress this enough - do not lower the security of your sshd, up the security of the client your using to access it.  Putty is FREE it works just fine, they have a securecrt client closed beta you can get that supports the chacha stuff.  You can use just the mls windows version of openssh, which is what I use all the time.. also FREE

                        You should never lower your security to "make something work"…  This is just bad security 101..

                        What I did notice from this thread since I connected in with ssh -v into pfsense is they are behind on their ssh.. they are running 7.2 while 7.5 is current.

                        debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.5
                        debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.2
                        debug1: match: OpenSSH_7.2 pat OpenSSH* compat 0x04000000

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                          riahc3 Banned
                          last edited by

                          @johnpoz:

                          "How do you reenable them?"

                          You edit your sshd_conf to use the what you want.. But again I am going to stress they were disabled for a REASON!!!

                          
                          [2.4.0-BETA][root@pfsense.local.lan]/etc/ssh: cat sshd_config 
                          # This file is automatically generated at startup
                          KexAlgorithms curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256
                          Port 22
                          Protocol 2
                          HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
                          HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key
                          Compression yes
                          ClientAliveInterval 30
                          PermitRootLogin yes
                          # Login via Key only
                          ChallengeResponseAuthentication no
                          PasswordAuthentication no
                          PubkeyAuthentication yes
                          UsePAM no
                          UseDNS no
                          LoginGraceTime 30s
                          VersionAddendum none
                          X11Forwarding no
                          Ciphers chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes128-ctr
                          MACs hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-ripemd160-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-ripemd160,umac-128@openssh.com
                          # override default of no subsystems
                          Subsystem       sftp    /usr/libexec/sftp-server
                          
                          

                          Notice the part that says this file created at startup.. So you would have to edit sshd script that does the creation.  Or you could use the sshd_extra file pretty sure..

                          I can not stress this enough - do not lower the security of your sshd, up the security of the client your using to access it.  Putty is FREE it works just fine, they have a securecrt client closed beta you can get that supports the chacha stuff.  You can use just the mls windows version of openssh, which is what I use all the time.. also FREE

                          You should never lower your security to "make something work"…  This is just bad security 101..

                          What I did notice from this thread since I connected in with ssh -v into pfsense is they are behind on their ssh.. they are running 7.2 while 7.5 is current.

                          debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.5
                          debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.2
                          debug1: match: OpenSSH_7.2 pat OpenSSH* compat 0x04000000

                          Quoted in case of removal.

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                            riahc3 Banned
                            last edited by

                            @johnpoz:

                            I can not stress this enough - do not lower the security of your sshd, up the security of the client your using to access it.  Putty is FREE it works just fine, they have a securecrt client closed beta you can get that supports the chacha stuff.  You can use just the mls windows version of openssh, which is what I use all the time.. also FREE

                            You should never lower your security to "make something work"…  This is just bad security 101..

                            Even though this is not my case why I asked how to enable it again and while I agree with you, you cannot have 1000 clients waiting to be updated and/or people that use older clients where there isnt development anymore, suddenly stop working. You need a solution now. That quickest solution (as much as a bandaid it is) is to enable the older standard (which is really irrelevent when the servers are internal non public facing and/or you have monitoring on your systems)

                            When you make sure that all clients are updated and compatible, THEN and ONLY then, can it be re disabled and use the newer and safer standard.

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                            • jimpJ
                              jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                              last edited by

                              You re-enable them the same way you revert any change you don't want. Find the commits that made the change and revert them or manually change them back the way they were.

                              None of that banter belongs in this thread. Locking.

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