Home network to keep wife happy + VPN (TV 4k netflix) + reduce intranet downtime
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Yes if you clone your mac.. Which how exactly is that going to work in the same network.. But guess it would be on different sides of pfsense.. So now to reduce your outage to 10 seconds, your going to double nat? Yeah that sounds like a great idea <rolleyes>I do the mac thing with my cable modem for other VMs, so if want to play with different firewall/router distro - or different version of pfsense, etc.. I just use the same mac on that VM.. Turn off old vm, boot up new vm with same mac and keep my same public IP this way.
I really do not understand what your concern is here?? If you really don't want your internet to go down - then get a 2nd line and use it for failover..</rolleyes>
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Hi John,
No concerns, it's my geeky curiosity and trying to find a balance between laziness, easiness and flexibility. It's a home network, I definitely don't need a fail over :)
Back to the home routing, I believe I require the following protocols on my home network to work across subnets
- TCP
- UDP
- SSDP (for UPnP and DLNA)
- TCP port 2869 multicast (HTTPMU) (Windows hosts)
- UDP port 1900 multicast (HTTPMU)
- UDP (private port) unicast (HTTPU)
Overall Services
- STP ( Sonos seems to require )
- uPnP
- NTP
- OpenVPN Client (Mandatory: Watch NetFlix)
- OpenVPN Server (Optional: I can connect from outside to my box, I have Synology NAS providing me [mymachinename].synology.me)
Question:
1) Is that hard to configure so that both the non-vpn and vpn hosts from each subnet can talk to each other ? I read I would require to install IGMP, UPnP & NAT and perhaps add some rules….
- If I stick with only 1 subnet under lan port1, I don't have to worry about all this but I then won't be able to switch between non-VPN to VPN on my tablets, mobiles, computers and my TV.
Is there a way to have only use 1 subnet but have the option not to route through VPN dynamically from the client ? Is that possible ? ( I know that I can have device run OpenVPN client but that's my last resort)
My method to switch from VPN to non-VPN was to change different AP (wlan) and have the TV switch from dhcp to static.
Thank you
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"- SSDP (for UPnP and DLNA)"
Does not work across subnets..
Why do you think you need UPnP?? Do you host game via game consoles?? STP.. so you have a smart switch that does spanning tree?
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uPnP: I might do a bit of bitTorrent and I have Xbox/Wii
STP: okay, then I don't need it since I have a managed switch.IF SSDP doesn't work across subnets then I won't be able to see my DLNA media accross subnets which is important for me
Do you know an elegant solution to accomplish the following:
- AP 2.4GHZ Non-VPN
- AP 5.0GHZ Non-VPN
- AP 5.0GHZ VPN ( Go through VPN running on pfsense box)
- LAN DCHP Non-VPN (e.g. sonos appliances, xbox, obiTalk VOIP)
- All AP & LAN have DLNA/SSDP working (meaning all on the same subnet)
- TV is connected on LAN and can easily switch between VPN vs non-VPN
New Solution ?
- ALL AP + LAN on same subnet with 1 DHCP Server 192.168.20.128 to 255
- For the TV, if I use DHCP I get non-VPN, if I set static I get VPN but I might need to setup the DNS rather using the DNS pushed by VPN provider ?
- how do I route only users on AP 5.0GHZ VPN to OpenVPN on pfsense since they are now using the same DHCP server
Perhaps there is no solution to what I want to accomplish…..
Thanks
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"STP: okay, then I don't need it since I have a managed switch"
Huh?? That would not be viable really unless you had a smart switch.. Why do you think you need that? Sonos do like to create loops on the network that is sure, since do they not talk to each other wireless and can be wired which creates a loop. STP can stop that for sure..
"For the TV, if I use DHCP I get non-VPN,"
Why would you do that? Just route it at pfsense, enable rule vpn, disable rule not vpn.. Clickity Clickity - 2 seconds..
" how do I route only users on AP 5.0GHZ VPN to OpenVPN on pfsense since they are now using the same DHCP server"
Why are they using the same dhcp server? But this is done with dhcp reservation so you client is always the same IP. You can then route them out the vpn or not route them out the vpn..
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(Keep in mind I am newbie)
STP: I thought I need it because I have a combinations of wired & wireless sonos appliances, the wireless ones use sonosnet which can potentially create a loop.
Switching TV from vpn to non-vpn should occur by going on the TV (vizio) and simply switch from DHCP to Static ip address. I don't want to connect to pfsense and disable a rule "clickity Clikity".
The whole purpose of this thread is to be flexible and lazy and deal with Netflix geo blocking. Can you suggest me a home solutions with the following criteria:
- I would like to have 3 AP
- 2.4GHZ access via ISP provider
- 5.0GHZ access via ISP provider
- 5.0GHZ access via VPN ( IF I switch my mobile, tablet, computer to 5.0GHZ VPN, I am on VPN) - Despite which AP I am connected, I would like to access all my devices, see all DLNA, see printer, etc…
- In my vizio TV, if I set to DHCP it routes to OpenVPN and if I set a static ip It routes to internet ( I don't want to go in pfsense and do "clickity Clikity")
I can buy whatever I need (within reason), I prefer to spend a few hundred dollars more and have flexibility, meaning I don't care if I need to buy one of more routers, one of more smart or L2 or L3 switches, AP, etc….
Question:
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Would you be able to propose a solution that meets my requirement.
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I read your thread on VLAN ( https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=103903.msg581183#msg581183 ). Can we use VLAN for the routing and DHCP allocations (e.g. each vlan has a dhcp server with a dhcp pool ?)
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I also read that IGMP might help to resolve uPnP and DLNA accross subnets ( https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=36832.msg190581#msg190581)
Thank you
- I would like to have 3 AP
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Sure you could use vlans and dhcp reservations to have complete control of what devices use specific rules.
I have read that yes sonos can create loops, and while its possible that some dumb switches have a basic implementation of STP.. without knowing the exact switch model it would be impossible to verify that. But to be honest I would be surprised if "dumb" switches actually support stp..
Here is some netgear dumb switch, gs108
https://www.netgear.com/business/products/switches/unmanaged/GS108.aspx#tab-techspecsfor loop detection, or stp is shows NA..
? 1) Yes it would be quite simple to draw up a solution for you ;) I have to leave for work in a few minutes - but if I get some free time at work can draw up some examples for you to work off of.
As to IGMP - sure that is possible do do some stuff with, but a much easy to implement and configure solution is to just put the devices that use DLNA/UPnP to discover devices like a TV or streamer on the same layer 2 network.
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Great ! Keen to see your proposal. I also created my proposal based on my last week readings and reading your historical posts. Keep in mind it's 15 years I didn't play in networks, never worked with VLAN and OpenVPN ! I started with 3com COAX cable network, Novell and HUBS !
Curious to see the difference ! :D
Hardware required:
- pfsense box ( 2 port or 4 ports ? )
- Switch 5 port L2 Managed ( Is there a L3 Managed under $200 worth it ?)
- ubiquiti unifi AC Lite
- 8 port switch un-managed ( already have)
- 4 port switch un-managed ( already have)
- DD-WRT Linksys e4200 (already have)
Wan - Modem
Lan -> Switch #1 (5 port L2 Managed)
-> Port 1 -> trunk connected Lan of Pfsense Box
-> Port 2 -> Access Switch #2 (8 port - Unmanaged)
-> Port 1 -> Port 2 of Switch #1
-> Port 2 -> router DD-WRT
-> AP 2.4GHZ (route to ISP internet)
-> AP 5.0GHZ (router to ISP internet)
-> port 3 to 7->(Sonos, Synology, Obitak VOIP, Xbox)
-> Port 8 -> Switch #3 (4 port - Unmanaged)
-> port 1-4 (Sonos)
->Port 3 -> trunk ubiquiti unifi ac lite
-> AP 5.0GHZ (route to VPN)
->Port 4 -> access TV
->Port 5 -> access emptyVLAN ID descriptions:
vlan1 default, I read don't touch it
vlan2 home internet via ISP
vlan3 vpn internet via OpenVPNVLAN Configuration of switch #1 5 ports L2 Managed
Port1, Trunk, Tagged, vlan1,vlan2,vland3
Port2, Access, UnTagged, vlan2
Port3, trunk, Tagged, vlan3
Port4, Acccess, UnTagged, vlan3
Port5, Access, UnTagged, vlan2Pfsense configuration:
vlan:- go to interfaces / VLANs, select em1 and add vlan2 home & vlan3 vpn
- go to interfaces, add interfaces & associate VLAN & enable them.
- set ip address & subnet for each interface
**home **
- home ip address 192.168.20.128/25 (62 hosts from 129 to 190)
- home dhcp server range 192.168.20.129-130 ( I might move the DHCP to the DD-WRT for the home network )
vpn
- vpn ip address 192.168.20.192/26 (62 hosts from 193 to 254)
- vpn dhcp server range 192.168.20.193-254
Firewall:
- rule #1 add home rule allow ipv4, source home 192.168.20.1/25 port *, dest *, port * , gateway * ( Router Port 2 home all static route to internet)
- rule #2 add home rule allow ipv4, source home 192.168.20.128/25 port *, dest *, port * , gateway * ( Router Port2 home DHCP address route to internet)
- rule #3 add GoViaVPN rule allow ipv4, source 192.168.20.192/26 , port *, dest *, port * , gateway * ( Router Port 3 & 4 VPN DHCP Address route to VPN)
(If TV on port 3 is set to static (e.g. 192.168.20.100), it will route based on Rule #1)
OpenVPN Client Setup:
- Create OpenVPN Client, create interface & assign the OpenVPN Client connection, call it "openvpn_client"
- Under Advanced Configuration, make sure you put route-nopull
OpenVPN Client NAT: - rule #4 add NAT rule source 192.168.20.192/26 , port *, gateway vpn address, port * ( All ip address from DHCP Server on 5.0GHZ VPN are routed to VPN)
Install IGMP
- link vlan2 and vlan3 and make sure L2 Managed Switch has IGMP supported
Functionality:
- Home static Lan, DHCP Lan, Home AP 2.4, AP 5.0 have access to home appliances + DLNA/UPnP available
- VPN AP 5.0GHZ will allow me to route through VPN for internet anytime I want
- If my TV is DHCP, it will route to VPN
- If my TV is static ip ( Despite being on a vlan3 VPN port) when the packet exits L2 Smart Switch as vlan3 tag the Firewall rule is looking at IP address not the vlan3 tag) Does this make sense ?
- If OpenVPN goes down, I still have internet
- if edge router pfsense goes down, I only loose Internet for a while.
- if edge router pfsense goes down for week, I enable DHCP on Linksys DD-WRT on WAN Port and plug directly to MODEM.
Further down the line:
- Possibility to add another 3 additional AP with ubiquiti AP AC Lite ( Different VPN Provider, Guest , 5.0ghz AC Internet )
- Create a vlan for Obitalk VOIP
Thank you :)
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After writing my previous post, I just realized I don't really need L2 managed, ubiquiti AP and the usage of VLAN .
VLANs are simply virtual interface sharing same hardware…. So a pfsense box with 4 ports (wan, lan, opt1, opt2) would suffice in theory.Hardware required:
- pfsense box ( 4 ports )
- 8 port switch un-managed ( already have)
- 4 port switch un-managed ( already have)
- DD-WRT Linksys e4200 (already have)
- cheap used router configured as AP supporting 5.0ghz (will ask around or still buy ubiquiti if can't get cheap 5.0ghz)
Pfsense Box (4 ports)
Wan - Modem
Lan -> router DD-WRT
-> DHCP Server Enabled ( This makes by dd-WRT fully independent)
- home ip address 192.168.20.129/25 (62 hosts from 129 to 190)
- home dhcp server range 192.168.20.130-190
-> AP 2.4GHZ (route to ISP internet)
-> AP 5.0GHZ (router to ISP internet)
-> wan -> pluged to Lan of Pfsense Box
-> Port 1 -> Access Switch #2 (8 port - Unmanaged)
-> Port 1 -> pluged to port 1 of router DD-WRT
-> port 2 to 7->(Sonos, Synology, Obitak VOIP, Xbox)
-> Port 8 -> Switch #3 (4 port - Unmanaged)
-> port 1-4 (Sonos)
Opt1 -> Cheap AP router
-> AP 5.0GHZ (route to VPN)
Opt2 -> plug directly to TVpfsense configuration with interfaces (without any VLAN)
Lan interface internet via ISP
Opt1 internet via OpenVPN (opt1 is connected to AP )
Opt2 internet via OpenVPN (opt2 is connected to TV)Lan interface (DHCP Disabled, my dd-wrt will take care of everything for home)
- home ip address 192.168.20.64/26 (62 hosts from 65 to 126)
Opt1 interface (DHCP enabled, I put a used router for small AP)
- vpn ip address 192.168.20.128/26 (62 hosts from 129 to 190)
- vpn dhcp server range 192.168.20.129-190
Opt2 interface (DHCP enabled, this is what I plug to my TV, netflix 4k ! )
- vpn ip address 192.168.20.192/26 (62 hosts from 193 to 254)
- vpn dhcp server range 192.168.20.193-254
Firewall:
- 192.168.20.1/25 (126 hosts from 1 to 126) to internet ( this is my static range + dhcp range for home network to ISP )
- 192.168.20.128/25 (126 hosts from 129 to 190) to OpenVPN ( this is my dhcp range for openvpn )
OpenVPN
- NAT 192.20.128/25 (128 hosts from 129 to 254) to OpenVPN
IGMP-Proxy
- Install on lan, opt1 and opt2 ( Does IGMP proxy supports more than 2 interfaces ? )
Functionality:
- Home static Lan, DHCP Lan, Home AP 2.4, AP 5.0 and DHCP Server all under dd-wrt router with DLNA/UPnP available
- VPN AP 5.0GHZ will allow me to route through VPN for internet anytime I want
- If my TV is DHCP, it will route to OpenVPN Interface which NAT translates to OpenVPN tunnel for internet
- If my TV is static ip (<64), it will route to Internet
- If OpenVPN goes down, I still have internet working
- if edge router pfsense goes down, I only loose Internet for a while.
- if edge router pfsense goes down for week, I enable DHCP on Linksys DD-WRT on WAN Port and plug directly to MODEM.
Thank you
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After more reading and better understanding IGMP snooping v1,2,3, I think it's worth getting a L2 smart switch because the multicasting across VLANs is done at the switch level rather than Edge Router ! I was reading the pdf manual of TP link TL-SG2008 and it allows multicast accross VLAN within the switch ! (See Reference)
If someone uses more than the lan interface (e.g. lan + opt1) on a pfsense router, then the pfsense box has to be responsible for multicasting between 2 interfaces if you want DLNA working.
Is there any advantages having 4nics on pfsense box when you can buy a L2 Smart switch 8 port ?
Thoughts ?
Reference: Page 90 of the user manual of TL-SG2008
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/721763/Tp-Link-Tl-Sg2008.html?page=90#manual -
There is always advantage to having more nics in your router.. No matter how many switch ports your network has. If you want gig speeds between say lan 1 and your OPT network. If you use a vlan opt network that sits on your lan physical interface. Any traffic between lan and opt is /2 since your hairpin the traffic. The more vlans you add to an interface the more your sharing the bandwidth of the physical interface.
I you have multiple interfaces in pfsense you can distribute your networks across multiple interfaces so that intervlan traffic is not hairpinned across the same physical interface.
You should always use a smart switch if you ask me ;) Keep in mind that if your goal is to do stuff with igmp and multicasting, etc. those 30$ smart switches are not going to get you the features you really want.. Very Very limited igmp stuff.. You would want something more in full featured managed switch. I have cisco sg300-10, picked up for $180 few years back. Cisco sg350 would be replacement in that line. Or the unifi makes some switches very reasonable priced - feature rich as well.
But the simple way to deal with multicast and dlna is just put the devices that want to use that on the same layer 2 anyway.. To figure out the best layout of your network need to know all your devices and what protocol they are going to need talk to what other devices, etc.
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The thing I like with TL-SG2008 switch is that it's fanless, consumes <10 watts and can easily fit under TV cabinet.
I rent a small apartment and I often move each 2 years and relocate to different cities each 5 years.
The smaller, the better and the most silent/compact possible and lowest wattage. Some countries is 0.23center per kilowatt, it makes me feel guilty burning high wattage when I don't really need it and runs 24/7.My devices Modem Cable DHCP ( TV Cabinet)
-> DD-WRT linksys ( TV Cabinet)
-> AP 2.4 GHZ 1x printer and sometimes Mobiles/Tablets and guest mobile
-> AP 5.0 GHZ 3xmobiles, 2x tablets, 2x Alexa, 1xkindle,
-> port1 Obitalk VOIP
-> port2 Synology NAS nic1
-> port3 Ip Cam or Laptop 1000Mbs (Upload picture from digital camera)
-> port4 switch #1 8 ports ( TV cabinet)
->Switch #1
-> port1 Sonos Playbar, wired switch #1
-> port2 TV
-> port3 Android TV
-> port4 survey machine
-> port5 xbox/wii
-> port6 Synology NAS nic2
-> port7 DD-WRT
-> port8 switch #2 5 ports ( 6 meter, goes behind sofa)
-> port1 Switch #2
-> port2 Sonos Play1 left side wired, wlan manually disabled
-> port3 Sonos Play1 right side wired, wlan manually disabled
-> port4 Laptop (use on Sofa, 1000mbs)
-> port5 powerline dlink DHP-AV500 (Powerline is like a hub, no vlan support)Powerline (no vlan support)
Sonos Play1 dining room wired with powerline
Sonos Play1 kithen room wired with powerline
Sonos Play1 guest room wired with powerline
Sonos Play1 master room wired with powerline
Sonos Play1 toilet wired with powerlineSee diagram attached
Below are the services & protocol (Based on my research)
session: Netbios,RTP, uPnP (SSDP)
Tranports: TCP, UPD
Internet Layer: ICMP, IGMP, IP, IPv4, (IPSec?)survey machine:
No idea, it what works, I just know it worksobitalk:
Allow Outgoing:
TCP Ports: 6800, 5222, 5223
UDP Ports: 5060, 5061, 10000 to 11000, 16600 to 16998, 19305
Allow Incoming on UDP Port: 10000Alexa Echo
Output TCP: *, 80, 8080, 443, 40317, 67, 68
Output UDP: *, 53, 123, 40317, 49317, 33434, 1900, 5000, 5353
Input TCP: 8080, 443, 40317
Input UDP: 53, 67, 68, 1900, 50000, 5353, 33434, 49317, 40317SONOS:
TCP/IP:
80 (Internet Radio, updates and registration)
443 (Rhapsody, Napster, and SiriusXM)
445 (CIFS)
3400 (incoming UPnP events - Sonos Controller App for Mac or PC)
3401 (Sonos Controller App for iOS)
3445 (OS X File Sharing)
3500 (Sonos Controller App for Android)
4070 (Spotify incoming events)
4444 (Sonos update process)UDP:
136-139 (NetBIOS)
1900 (UPnP events and device detection)
1901 (UPnP responses)
2869, 10243, 10280-10284 (Windows Media Player NSS)
5353 (Spotify Control)
6969 (Initial configuration)Synology Services
Synology Assistant9999, 9998, 9997 UDPData Replicator, Data Replicator II, Data Replicator III9999, 9998, 9997, 137, 138, 139, 445 TCP
Hyper Backup Vault, DSM 5.2 Archiving Backup 6281TCP
LUN Backup3260 (iSCSI), 873, 22 (if encrypted over SSH) TCP
DSM 5.2 Data Backup, rsync, Shared Folder Sync, Remote Time Backup 873, 22 (if encrypted over SSH) TCP
Snapshot Replication3261 (iSCSI LUN), 5566 (Shared Folder)TCPBT
6890 ~ 6999 (for models with firmware earlier than v2.0.1-3.0401);
16881 (for models with DSM v2.0.1 and onward)TCP/UDPWeb Applications
DSM5000 (HTTP), 5001 (HTTPS)TCP
File Station5000 (HTTP, additional port can be added), 5001 (HTTPS, additional port can be added)TCP
Mail Server
TypePort NumberProtocol
SMTP 25 TCP
POP 3110 TCP
IMAP143 TCP
IMAP over SSL/TLS993TCP
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Don't use Powerline networking.
For your Sonos, use its built in networking, give it a dedicated channel.
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Don't use Powerline networking.
Why, it works fine or are you talking with the Sonos, I hear their networking implementation isn't the best.
I carry 6 VLANS over mine and no issues what so ever.
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My current PowerLine seems to work fine with Sonos. the light sometimes go red on the powerline device but it works 98% percent of the time.
I use PowerLine for few reasons
- reduce where easily possible WiFi as much as possible in apartment ( Sonos)
- when a Sonos is far, easier putting PowerLine than a WiFi repeater….
- when Sonos is far, it uses its mesh network, that sometimes struggles ( 2.4ghz congestion, loops)PowerLine (based on my readings) seems to act line a hub , it has its the role and place, it brings ethernet across the apartment over electric cable. I am renting apartment....
I have a device that evaluates 0-8ghz frequencies power and trying to reduce it around me.... we are getting bombarded enough outside home...I believe less frequency at home might be good....
Over time...was thinking of getting ubiquity AP and put one in each room at the lowest power possible so that no device in the apartment is broadcasting strongly.... but that's later..now I want to fiigure out my current network....
Waiting for Johnpoz design / routing suggestion or anybody else that understand networks very well to suggest me their recommendation. I lack experience and wonder if my suggestion is correct.
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Don't use Powerline networking.
Why, it works fine or are you talking with the Sonos, I hear their networking implementation isn't the best.
I carry 6 VLANS over mine and no issues what so ever.
Powerline line is not 100% reliable. That is why I don't use it.
This apartment is small enough that the Sonos network will work a lot better, more reliable.
Just put it on its own 2.4 channel. Any other WiFi AP, use channel 6 or channel 11, 20 Mhz width.
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Any idea when you will provide your suggestions ? keen to see your design.
I won't be home this weekend but I will have internet access to read replies.In the meanwhile, I have some design questions about bridge/IGMP/DCHP where I need some guidance/confirmation. I am not sure how the routing would work in these scenarios.
Let's assume I am using qotom box with 4 nics
- Wan (cable modem)
- Lan (lan home network)
- Opt1 (AP OpenVPN network)
- Opt2 (lan OpenVPN network for TV)Scenario #1: If lan, opt1, opt2 is bridged and using same subnet 192.168.20.1/24
Outcome: UPnP/DLNA should work across bi-directionally all clients connected to all the 3 interfaces because the bridge feature behaves like a switch.
Problem with Scenario #1 configuration:
- Once bridged, only 1 DHCP server, can't have multiple dhcp server and it will be somewhat difficult to route range IP address to firewall/OpenVPN
- pfsense box is being used as switch rather Layer3 ip routing, just buy a $50 switch, bridge should only be used to bridge AP at best…Question#1: If Lan, opt1, opt2 is bridged but using different subnet (lan 192.168.20.1, opt2 192.168.30.1 and opt3 192.168.40.1), would the bridge feature still work ? can each client see the uPnP/DLNA ? Will the bridge still broadcast across different subnet or respect the rules of L2 subnet?
Scenario #2: Keep lan, opt1, opt1 separate (non-bridged), all 3 interface share the same subnet 192.168.20.1/24, have DHCP Server on each interface with ip range for each and enable IGMP Proxy
Outcome: UPnP/DLNA should work bi-directionally across all clients connected to all the 3 interfaces or uni-directionally one way lan->opt1 & opt2.
Problem with configuration scenario #2:
- pfsense is being used for IGMP management, you can buy a smart switch or L2 managed switch and delegate this work to switch rather pfsense box
- The 4 nics are used up, will need smart/managed switch to add more ip segments in the future.Question#2 What is the IGMP Proxy cardinality ? bidirectional or unidirectional ?
Unidirectional = By putting lan as upstream, opt1 & opt2 as downstream, this means that opt2 & opt3 are just clients and all the DLNA/UPnP Server must reside on lan. That means if I take android tablet connected on Opt2 Interface and enable uPnP Server to share pictures, users connected on Lan won't see the uPnP Server from Opt2 because IGMP Proxy is uni-directional, I'm assuming IGMP Proxy was designed from to cascade from WAN to LAN.
Bidirectional = IGMP Proxy is sharing everything both sides, DLNA/UPnP Server and Client are available & visible both sidesQuestion#3 Must the interfaces share the same subnet so that IGMP Proxy works ? (meaning lan, opt1, op2 must all be under 192.168.20.1/24 or can lan 192.168.20.1, opt2 192.168.30.1 and opt3 192.168.40.1 ) It seems it supports multiple subnet (https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/IGMP_Proxy)
Question#4 Does a Smart/managed switch support bidirectional IGMP multicast (DLNA/uPnp) across:
a) single subnet only ?
b) multiple different subnets?
c) across VLANs ?Thank you
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Sorry derby weekend, and work last couple of days been busy.. Not seems have lots to read here..
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Enjoy! Kentucky Derby @ Louisville looks fun!
Never experienced that, perhaps in my 2018 bucket to do , will ask you about good seating location :)
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