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    • F
      FauxShow
      last edited by

      It's worth noting that I've done remote gateways a few times on a few different pfSense instances with the same behavior over the past few years. I've made workarounds by creating an IP alias on the network with the remote gateway and added secondary IPs on the servers on that VLAN, with routes applied that backchannel the local networks. It's messy and impossible to do with iPhones and other devices I'm using now.

      brb; gotta reboot my pfsense

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      • DerelictD
        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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        If you are policy routing to the VPN you have to bypass said policy routing for local subnets:

        https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Bypassing_Policy_Routing

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
          last edited by

          "I've made workarounds by creating an IP alias on the network with the remote gateway and added secondary IPs on the servers on that VLAN"

          What???

          Dude post your freaking rules please… If you set a gateway on your 1 rule then no your not going to be able to get to your other network... Put a rule above it that allows access to the other network before you send traffic out a gateway..  The link Derelict points to goes over this.

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            FauxShow
            last edited by

            The bypassing policy routing makes sense if I had other rules with different gateways, which I don't. It's just a VPN with 0.0.0.0/0 as the remote side.

            How do I create a remote gateway using routing? IPSec isn't an available interface to apply the gateway on.

            brb; gotta reboot my pfsense

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              FauxShow
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              brb; gotta reboot my pfsense

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                FauxShow
                last edited by

                I hand out VLANs like Oprah hands out gifts and I also block all traffic to and from the DPRK.

                brb; gotta reboot my pfsense

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  dude your blocking access to LAN net - so yeah NO shit your not going to be able to go there!!!  And all your other nets!!

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                    FauxShow
                    last edited by

                    Trying to reach it from "Desktop"
                    I can access it if I disable the VPN.

                    brb; gotta reboot my pfsense

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      And what is your desktop rules?

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                        FauxShow
                        last edited by

                        Wide open:

                        brb; gotta reboot my pfsense

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                        • DerelictD
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          IPsec to destination 0.0.0.0/0 is a significant hurdle. That is generally reserved for things like mobile IPsec clients.

                          Your reply traffic from the PROXY network is probably going out that IPsec tunnel since it matches the traffic selector there.

                          A simple packet capture on the IPsec interface should confirm.

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                            FauxShow
                            last edited by

                            How should I be setting it up? Rules for the local subnet(s) with no gateway specified and then a catch-all for everything else could work, but what do I set that gateway to?

                            brb; gotta reboot my pfsense

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              I can't think of a good workaround.

                              Like I said, IPsec to destination 0.0.0.0/0 is troublesome if that is not really what you want.  And in your case it is not what you want because you want to carve out exceptions to that.

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                                FauxShow
                                last edited by

                                So I should submit a bug then, right? More of a new feature I guess.

                                We are able to do this with Cisco ASAs btw. It's not like I'm just making up networking concepts.

                                brb; gotta reboot my pfsense

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                                • DerelictD
                                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                  last edited by

                                  Not a bug.

                                  When we get routed IPsec in 2.5-ish it might be possible.

                                  Use an ASA then I guess. FreeBSD IPsec traffic selectors work how they work at this time.

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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                    last edited by

                                    @derelict not getting why this should be an issue.. There are direct routes in play for the local networks - why would it force it down the tunnel..  Should only go do the default route tunnel if there is no more direct route.

                                    @fauxshow - why not just do with openvpn vs ipsec?  Then you do a simple policy base routing.

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                                    • DerelictD
                                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                      last edited by

                                      Because the traffic selectors are hit before the routing table. They have no concept of states or anything like reply-to.

                                      He has a selector source PROXY net dest any (0.0.0.0/0).

                                      Reply traffic matches that so that's where it goes.

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                                      • johnpozJ
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                        last edited by

                                        Ah.. Yeah that is a problem…

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