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    • V
      vitaprimo
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      Thanks, that's what I was afraid of. It's just a /64 is already huge. These IPv6 designers went overboard.

      Thanks again, I'll start deploying right away. 🤓

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      • DerelictD
        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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        Stop sweating it. Every network segment gets a /64. You never have to worry about interface subnet size again.

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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          Exactly.. Think of /64 as today you think of a /24 or smaller.. /64 is the prefix you put on an interface.. Be it your going to have 4 devices or 400 devices on this network its a /64 you would use.  Shoot even if was a point to point where you would normally use a /30 in ipv4 you would use a /64 in ipv6..

          Unlike say a /24 in ipv4 you would not subnet a /64 that is the smallest you go.. If you need more networks then you need a /60, /56 /48 etc..

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            vitaprimo
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            I'm setting up HE.net and already got the /48 block; I have a doubt though, does the GIF interface stays the same or do I need to reconfigure it with the /48 info, or, does that go in the DHCP/RA section?

            Thanks for your help, again!

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            • DerelictD
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              the GIF stays the same. You assign /64s out of the /48. You have 65536 of them to play with.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                vitaprimo
                last edited by

                Thanks, this is so cool. 😃 💾

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                • JKnottJ
                  JKnott
                  last edited by

                  @vitaprimo:

                  Thanks, that's what I was afraid of. It's just a /64 is already huge. These IPv6 designers went overboard.

                  Thanks again, I'll start deploying right away. 🤓

                  It's not huge, compared to the IPv6 address space.  ISPs hand out /56 or /48 prefixes.  That's 256 or 65536 /64s.  That's still puny compared to what's available.  At the moment, only 1/8th of the entire IPv6 address space is assigned to global address use.  Over 3/4s is not assigned for anything.  Even then, there are enough /48s for every single person on earth to have over 4000 of them.  So, lets have no more of this nonsense about splitting a /64.

                  Incidentally, a /64 contains the entire IPv4 address space squared!.

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                  • JKnottJ
                    JKnott
                    last edited by

                    @Derelict:

                    the GIF stays the same. You assign /64s out of the /48. You have 65536 of them to play with.

                    Can pfSense assign the full /48, up to FFFF?  On my system, the prefix IDs only go up to FF.  But I only have a /56 prefix.

                    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      Yeah 65K /64 pretty much enough for as many networks you would ever need to create even if you think of a /64 as overkill with the number of address that can be on it..  And if not then get a /32 ;) This can be a issue to get your head around for sure.. It takes a bit to forget your ipv4 thinking - to me /64 with how many addresses that can be on it seems so wasteful..  But in the big picture with how big ipv6 space it really is almost infinite… Which I am sure that is what they thought of the ipv4 space when they started - and look how that turned out..

                      But compared to how much space there is on ipv4, ipv6 is so freaking big!!! I mean big!!! that while using a /64 for a couple of devices might seem wasteful - that is how its designed, and there will never be an issue for IP addresses - not for your great grandkids for sure even ;)  If not great great great, etc..

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                      • DerelictD
                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                        last edited by

                        You need a /48 to delegate /56 to other sites which is as small as anyone should go. You need a /56 to delegate /60.

                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        • JKnottJ
                          JKnott
                          last edited by

                          And if not then get a /32 ;) This can be a issue to get your head around for sure.

                          There are enough IPv6 Global Unicast Addresses to give everyone on earth a /36 and have lots left over!

                          But in the big picture with how big ipv6 space it really is almost infinite… Which I am sure that is what they thought of the ipv4 space when they started - and look how that turned out..

                          According to Vint Cerf, one of the creators of the Internet.  IPv4, with 32 bit addresses, was just intended to be a proof of concept, with the real version having a much larger address space.  Unfortunately, it escaped.

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                          • DerelictD
                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by

                            Can pfSense assign the full /48, up to FFFF?  On my system, the prefix IDs only go up to FF.  But I only have a /56 prefix.

                            If you get a /48 PD you can set the track interface prefix ID from 0 to ffff. What is displayed and accepted as input there is dynamic and is dependent on the size of the PD. (A /60 shows 0 - f)

                            pfSense running with thousands of defined interfaces is another matter.

                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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