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    • JKnottJ
      JKnott
      last edited by

      I just tried it and the same thing happens.  I cannot even ping the firewall ULA and after rebooting it, I lose IPv6 to my network.  PfSense is busted!!!

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      • JKnottJ
        JKnott
        last edited by

        One thing I just thought of.  It may not be necessary for pfSense to have a ULA to route from the ULA prefix.  Routing is still done via the link local address.  I'll have to see if I can figure out some way to test this.  I may have to dust off my Cisco 2600 router.

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
          last edited by

          " just tried it and the same thing happens.  I cannot even ping the firewall ULA and after rebooting it, I lose IPv6 to my network.  PfSense is busted!!!"

          Maybe your pfsense is busted.. But this is not the case with mine.. Add ULA address as VIP.. Works as it should - can ping it to that address (if firewall rules allow it) and routes just fine..

          What your saying makes ZERO sense - how would adding a vip cause such an issue??  Be it a ula or another global, etc..

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          • JKnottJ
            JKnott
            last edited by

            I don't know why it's happening, but it happened twice.  Also, as mentioned in other posts, there apparently is a problem.  And I created the alias by clicking on Firewall > Virtual IPs.

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
              last edited by

              And what did you pick for the type of VIP?

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              • JKnottJ
                JKnott
                last edited by

                @johnpoz:

                And what did you pick for the type of VIP?

                IP Alias

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                • JKnottJ
                  JKnott
                  last edited by

                  With pfSense 2.4.0, I can now add a ULA alias on my LAN interface, without losing Internet access.  It appears there was a problem with the previous version.

                  PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
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                  • JKnottJ
                    JKnott
                    last edited by

                    ^^^^
                    Looks like I spoke too soon.  As before, after a reboot, the problem returns.  However, one thing I noticed is the default route on my computer changes, from the main LAN to a VLAN interface on my pfSense router.  I'm not sure what causes this, as the VLAN has a different prefix from the ULA on the main LAN.

                    Why would the default route change?  I checked the router.priority for each RA and the VLAN is set to low and main LAN set to normal.

                    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                    i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                    UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                    • JKnottJ
                      JKnott
                      last edited by

                      It's currently working, with the ULA alias.  I have no idea why it's working now and not before.

                      I set the mail RA priority to high, but IP -6 route show shows both the main LAN and VLAN to have medium preference:

                      default via fe80::1:1 dev eth0  proto ra  metric 1024  expires 58sec hoplimit 64 pref medium
                      default via fe80::216:17ff:fea7:f2d3 dev vlan3  proto ra  metric 1024  expires 51sec hoplimit 64 pref medium

                      Shouldn't that reflect the router priority setting, which is high for main LAN and low for VLAN3?

                      My computer is running OpenSUSE Linux.

                      PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
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                      UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                      • N
                        Napsterbater
                        last edited by

                        @awebster:

                        Once it is added in, you can then setup the prefix in the RA config to advertise each prefix defined on the interface.  Note that clients on that L2 will get an address for EACH advertised prefix (if listening to RAs).  Keep in mind they will also get more than 1 gateway this way.

                        Just one correction, It will still be only one Gateway no matter how many prefixes are advertised. You would only get a 2nd Gateway if you had a 2nd box broadcasting RAs. 1 box broadcasting many prefixes = 1 Gateway.

                        And that gateway is a Link Local address, not a ULA or GUA.

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                        • JKnottJ
                          JKnott
                          last edited by

                          ^^^^
                          It shows both gateways, but whatever happens, I lose Internet access.  I can ping local addresses, including ULA, so routing still appears to be functioning at least that far, but I cannot get out to the Internet.  Also, sometimes it works OK after rebooting,  Sometimes it doesn't.  I have no idea why it's failing.  I agree it shouldn't matter which is default route, as both are to a link local address on the same interface.

                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                            Napsterbater
                            last edited by

                            Do you have more then 1 router? If not there should not be more then 1 gateway.

                            If you only have 1 pfSense router, then you need to find what is advertising itself as a router.

                            Again 1 router advertising more then 1 prefix will still only advertise 1 gateway.

                            Edit: i just noticed someing in a prev post. Do you have 2 pfsense interfaces plugged into the same layer2/vlan?

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                            • JKnottJ
                              JKnott
                              last edited by

                              There is only 1 router, pfSense.  The router has to advertise itself on all interfaces, including VLANs.  Regardless, it shouldn't matter, because all RAs point to the same router.  I have a main LAN and a VLAN on 1 interface.  The main LAN has both global and ULA addresses.  The curious thing is that when I configure the pfSense alias for the ULA on the main LAN, everything works fine.  But if I then reboot pfSense, it usually, but not always fails.

                              PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                              i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                              UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                              • N
                                Napsterbater
                                last edited by

                                I was and am confused becuase you said that hey you have two gateways which sounded like it was on the same client like your client was seen two different Gateway from pfSense if that's the case that makes no sense and it would lead me to believe that two different vlans are mixed together on the same layer 2/brodcast domain. Unless I'm just misunderstanding what you're saying.

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                                • JKnottJ
                                  JKnott
                                  last edited by

                                  I get 2 router advertisements, one on the main LAN and 1 on the VLAN.  I don't think I ever said I had 2 gateways.  The RAs have to be on every interface, including VLANs, so that every device will receive them.  However, that doesn't hurt, as it's still the same gateway, no matter which RA is used.  Regardless, just adding ULA alias on the main LAN is what causes the problem  I really don't understand why it should.  A I mentioned, the problem usally happens after a reboot.  Prior to the reboot, everything works fine.

                                  PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                  i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                  UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                                  • DerelictD
                                    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                    last edited by

                                    Aren't you the one who thinks he can use an unmanaged switch to "isolate" VLANs? Is that the case here?

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                                      Napsterbater
                                      last edited by

                                      I get 2 router advertisements, one on the main LAN and 1 on the VLAN.  I don't think I ever said I had 2 gateways.

                                      Same thing really, you shouldn't be getting 2 different RA's. It should be 1 RA from 1 pfSense interface per VLAN.

                                      Aren't you the one who thinks he can use an unmanaged switch to "isolate" VLANs? Is that the case here?

                                      It does indeed sound like there is 2 pfSense interface on 1 VLAN/Broadcast domain.

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                                      • JKnottJ
                                        JKnott
                                        last edited by

                                        Aren't you the one who thinks he can use an unmanaged switch to "isolate" VLANs? Is that the case here?

                                        I have never said anything like that.  I said unmanaged switches can pass VLAN tagged frames.

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                                        • DerelictD
                                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                          last edited by

                                          Are you using an unmanaged switch for the untagged and tagged networks in this case?

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                                          • JKnottJ
                                            JKnott
                                            last edited by

                                            @Napsterbater:

                                            I get 2 router advertisements, one on the main LAN and 1 on the VLAN.  I don't think I ever said I had 2 gateways.

                                            Same thing really, you shouldn't be getting 2 different RA's. It should be 1 RA from 1 pfSense interface per VLAN.

                                            Aren't you the one who thinks he can use an unmanaged switch to "isolate" VLANs? Is that the case here?

                                            It does indeed sound like there is 2 pfSense interface on 1 VLAN/Broadcast domain.

                                            I'm not sure where who is misunderstanding here.  There is only one, 1, count 'em one physical interface on the LAN.  On that interface is the main LAN with global addresses and ULA.  There is also VLAN 3 on that NIC with only ULA.  Also, there is another Interface connected to a Cisco router or used for testing.  It has only ULA.  All interfaces, including VLAN, have NAT IPv4 addresses, which continue to work fine.

                                            When I put an IPv6 alias for the ULA on the main LAN, things work fine.  I can route between ULA and global addresses.  But when I reboot, then the router stops working with IPv6 to the Internet.  When I get some time, I'll investigate further where the failure is. i.e. routing to the WAN, DNS etc..

                                            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

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