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    [SOLVED] Policy-Based Routing Not Consistently Going Out the Specified Gateway

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      Finger79
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      @Derelict:

      OK where is that rule in relation to all your other rules? You have yet to show that.

      I was more commenting on the nonsense like this:

      No, not DNS leaking, all traffic leaking such as through 80/443.  Even though I have a "NO_WAN_EGRESS" policy-based filtering setup, it doesn't seem to work when I don't pull routes from the VPN provider.  (Very not cool!)

      It works perfectly when configured correctly.

      Screenshots of that posted earlier.  The "Allow Web Traffic" rule sets the policy-based filtering tag "NO_WAN_EGRESS" and also sets the policy-based routing gateway to the VPN_Gateway.

      The only time that traffic leaked out the naked WAN was when I told both client VPN connections to not pull routes.  Then I got inconsistent results:  some traffic went out the VPN, and other traffic went out the WAN.  It was random.

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        Finger79
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        @luckman212:

        So in your case you should probably set the default route of your pfSense is set to the VPN gateway, otherwise your DNS traffic will leak – or, you can set DHCP to hand out an upstream DNS server to LAN clients e.g. 8.8.8.8, etc.

        DNS seems to work perfectly.  Unbound sends all traffic through the VPN tunnels and never out the naked WAN.  (That interface is unchecked.)

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        • DerelictD
          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
          last edited by

          You are all over the place. that rule routes traffic to PIA for, presumably, destinations 80 and 443.

          All other traffic will go out the default gateway (or the OpenVPN connection that happens to have been able to set the 0.0.0.0/1 and 128.0.0.0/1 rules, which as you found in the other thread, will be the first OpenVPN connection without "don't pull routes" set that connects. The other one will receive errors when trying to set those routes.)

          You are indicating there is a problem with some other host that is unable to go out WAN. Where is that rule in relation to all the other rules?

          Not blocking out things that really don't matter might help people help you.

          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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            Finger79
            last edited by

            @Derelict:

            You are indicating there is a problem with some other host that is unable to go out WAN.

            Negative.  It's not unable to go out WAN.  It just doesn't do it consistently.

            @Derelict:

            Where is that rule in relation to all the other rules?

            Answered earlier:
            @Finger79:

            Here's some of the LAN rules (farther down the rule list) for most of the traffic.  For example, the "Allow Web Traffic" rule sends all 80/443 traffic out the VPN gateway.

            The .103 tablet exception rule matches first.  It just doesn't consistently send traffic out the WAN.  Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't.  But the rule always fires.

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            • DerelictD
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              Is WANGW flapping?

              System > Logs, Gateways

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                Finger79
                last edited by

                @Derelict:

                Is WANGW flapping?

                System > Logs, Gateways

                I don't see it mentioned anywhere in the Gateway logs.

                I had to turn off WANGW gateway monitoring (meaning it's always considered "Up").  The dpinger pings may have pissed it off.  I'll turn it back on and see if that helps.

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                • DerelictD
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                  last edited by

                  Right. If that was happening when you were seeing "random" routing then the same principles that make "NO_WAN_EGRESS" necessary would apply equally to WANGW if it was flagged as down. In that case you would need "NO_VPN_EGRESS."

                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                    Finger79
                    last edited by

                    I get that. Fortunately, gateway flapping appears to not be the reason behind this.

                    When I do a fresh reboot of pfSense, the tablet traffic consistently goes out the WAN, as expected.  Some time later (or some event later), it decides to go out the VPN only, even though the rule still fires that specifies WANGW.  It's just ignoring the gateway in the rule but still logging the rule as having fired.  Weird.

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      Doubtful. There is some other reason the traffic is not matching that policy routing rule - else it would be policy routed accordingly.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        Finger79
                        last edited by

                        @Derelict:

                        Doubtful. There is some other reason the traffic is not matching that policy routing rule - else it would be policy routed accordingly.

                        Then why does the rule match in the Firewall Logs?

                        As you can see, the rule is very simple.  If the source is .103 IPv4, then policy route it through WANGW.

                        This works perfectly after a fresh reboot of pfSense.  Then like I said, after some time or some event, it no longer goes out the WANGW and goes out the VPN.  Something is overriding the routing portion of the firewall rule.

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                          Finger79
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                          Just did some more, all from Firefox on the tablet:

                          Shows real WAN IP
                          Google "What is my IP"
                          iplocation.com
                          whatismyip.net
                          privateinternetaccess.com
                          whatismyip.org
                          ExpressVPN.com
                          MXtoolbox.com
                          ip-address.org
                          iplocation.net
                          findipinfo.com
                          myipaddress.com

                          Shows VPN IP
                          TorGuard.net
                          DuckDuckGo "What is my IP"
                          whatismyipaddress.com
                          BearsMyIP.com
                          ipchicken.com
                          ipaddress.pro

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                          • luckman212L
                            luckman212 LAYER 8
                            last edited by

                            @Finger79:

                            Then why does the rule match in the Firewall Logs?

                            As you can see, the rule is very simple.  If the source is .103 IPv4, then policy route it through WANGW.

                            Do you have a kill switch rule below the policy route for .103 to block all traffic? You need this in case WANGW is down, because rules will be skipped if the GW is flapping, could explain your inconsistent results…

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              When it stops working, run this:

                              pfctl -vvsr | grep -A3 XX.XX.XX.103

                              Here: I'll show you one of mine. I'm not afraid of leaking inside addresses:

                              $ pfctl -vvsr | grep -A3 192.168.223.6

                              @307(1493852191) pass in quick on igb1.223 route-to (ovpnc3 172.29.114.130) inet from 192.168.223.6 to <openvpn_lan:2>flags S/SA keep state label "USER_RULE: Route OpenVPN Addresses Through OpenVPN"
                                [ Evaluations: 2386      Packets: 0        Bytes: 0          States: 0    ]
                                [ Inserted: pid 21796 State Creations: 0    ]

                              Anyway, that will show the EXACT rules in the active rule set that have anything to do with that address at that specific point in time.</openvpn_lan:2>

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                Finger79
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                                @124(10000001) pass in log quick on igb1 inet from 192.168.100.103 to <negate_net   ="" works:0="">flags S/SA keep state label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for de                                                                                                                              stination"
                                  [ Evaluations: 2572      Packets: 0        Bytes: 0          States: 0    ]
                                  [ Inserted: pid 54887 State Creations: 0    ]
                                @125(1505701172) pass in log quick on igb1 route-to (igb0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx public IP) inet from                                                                                                                                192.168.100.103 to any flags S/SA keep state label "USER_RULE: Tablet Out Naked WAN"
                                  [ Evaluations: 865      Packets: 55591    Bytes: 19139183    States: 5    ]
                                  [ Inserted: pid 54887 State Creations: 807  ]
                                @126(1458032398) block return in log quick on igb1 inet from any to <pfb_africa_   ="" v4:6176="">label "USER_RULE: pfb_Africa"</pfb_africa_ ></negate_net >

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                                • DerelictD
                                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                  last edited by

                                  Looks good to me unless negate_networks includes the wrong destinations, which is pretty unlikely.

                                  Or if there is a rule that matches that source address that won't be shown there.

                                  I'd be happy to look at /tmp/rules.debug if you want to PM it.

                                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                    Finger79
                                    last edited by

                                    Somewhat redacted and edited:

                                    < /tmp/rules.debug removed >

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                                      Finger79
                                      last edited by

                                      Wonder if this table should be empty:

                                      Diagnostics -> Tables
                                      negate_networks

                                      No entries exist in this table.

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                                      • DerelictD
                                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                        last edited by

                                        pass  in  quick  on $LAN  $GWPIA_TX_CHI inet proto tcp  from any to $Facebook port 443  tag "NO_WAN_EGRESS" tracker 1422073736 flags S/SA keep state  label "USER_RULE: Allow Facebook"
                                        pass  in  quick  on $LAN inet proto tcp  from any to $CloudFlare port $HTTP_HTTPS tracker 1422073738 flags S/SA keep state  label "USER_RULE: CloudFlare"
                                        pass  in log  quick  on $LAN inet from 192.168.100.103  to <negate_networks>tracker 10000001 keep state  label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for destination"
                                        pass  in log  quick  on $LAN  $GWWANGW inet from 192.168.100.103 to any tracker 1505701172 keep state  label "USER_RULE: Asus Tablet Out Naked WAN"

                                        Anything at $Facebook/443 or $CloudFlare/$HTTP_HTTPS will not match your source 192.168.100.103 rules. That is probably your problem.

                                        Put the most specific rules at the top.</negate_networks>

                                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                          Finger79
                                          last edited by

                                          It was that damned CloudFlare rule.
                                          I re-ran the list of places that previously showed the VPN IP and they all reported the real WAN IP as expected.

                                          I really hope this consistently fixes it.  I'll update the thread if it doesn't fix it after I've pulled some hair out.

                                          (BTW, those Facebook IPs are straight from Facebook so only include their CIDR blocks and nobody else.  Back when that info was public.)

                                          Shows VPN IP
                                          TorGuard.net –> Shows real IP :)
                                          DuckDuckGo "What is my IP" --> Shows real IP :)
                                          whatismyipaddress.com --> Shows real IP :)
                                          BearsMyIP.com --> Shows real IP :)
                                          ipchicken.com --> Shows real IP :)
                                          ipaddress.pro --> Shows real IP :)

                                          Anecdotally, this also tells me just how many sites are CloudFlare customers (at least the free account).  Holy crap it's a lot.

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