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    Unable to access a host on another subnet but can from pfSense [SOLVED]

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      lavito
      last edited by

      No joy, I am uploading details in case:

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      • DerelictD
        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
        last edited by

        Look at your source network. You need slimmer fingers.

        And the NAT address should be the LAN2 interface address, not some /28 ffs.

        How many APs are you trying to do this for? If one use a /32 destination address and LAN2 address as the NAT address.

        That /29 source will only NAT if you are connecting from those specific hosts. Why are you using all these wacky netmasks?

        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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          lavito
          last edited by

          It worked!!! Thank you very much!

          As a note, I also had to make the port static for this to work.
          The key point I was missing is that the "Translation\Other subnet" has to be the address of the destination interface.

          The weird subnets was just desperation, to make things work.  ;D

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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            "I also had to make the port static for this to work."

            No you didn't..  Why would where your forwarding 80 care that the source port of the traffic was the same as what the client used vs letting pfsense do Napt..

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            • DerelictD
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              Static port has nothing to do with it. That will possibly create problems for you down the road but leave it if you so desire.

              Your NAT port should be 80, not any.

              Glad it's working for you.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                lavito
                last edited by

                @Derelict:

                Static port has nothing to do with it. That will possibly create problems for you down the road but leave it if you so desire.

                Your NAT port should be 80, not any.

                Hmmmm,  :-,  If I tick "Static", pfSence sets the NAT port to Any. However if I set NAT port to 80, then I cannot connect to 192.168.1.2:80 from 192.168.0.3 - I tried again.

                Obviously you both know what you are talking about, why would this be?

                @johnpoz:

                "No you didn't..  Why would where your forwarding 80 care that the source port of the traffic was the same as what the client used vs letting pfsense do Napt..

                As above, also I am not clear what you are saying, can you rephrase?

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                  When a browser, or any application for that matter connects to pretty much any other application.. It is really rare that the source port needs to be something specific.. Some cases sure.. But very far and between.. http or port 80 have never seen such a case where the source port would have to be something specific.

                  When you set a static port on an outbound port forward what your saying is that pfsense can not change what the source port to something else.. So if your connection was from ipA:portX to ipB:80, then pfsense can not change that to ipA:portY to ipB:80..  Which is how Napt works.

                  Your pfsense lan2 IP is in your 192.168.1.1 right?  And your just trying to do a source nat to the web gui running on 80, because the device your connecting to on 80 does not have a gateway set..

                  Would look like below.  I just used my lan to show this like I was coming from a different network the 192.168.0.3 in your example.. And 192.168.1.2 is say on my lan..

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                    lavito
                    last edited by

                    @johnpoz:

                    Your pfsense lan2 IP is in your 192.168.1.1 right?  And your just trying to do a source nat to the web gui running on 80, because the device your connecting to on 80 does not have a gateway set..

                    Exactly!!! This is a WiFi router working as AP only. I am trying to access its Web Config pages.

                    @johnpoz:

                    Would look like below.

                    I totally get what you are saying. Also, I did change the NAT port to 80 (non static), as you suggested,  so it can change  "ipA:portx" to " ipA:portY", however when I do this, I just cannot get trough to the AP's web interface.

                    I just cannot see how would the AP detect this and why your suggestion does not work.

                    When I change the NAT port to 80, I get following in the state log:

                    LAN1 tcp 192.168.0.3:52387 -> 192.168.1.2:80 CLOSED:SYN_SENT
                    LAN2 tcp 192.168.0.3:52387 -> 192.168.1.2:80 SYN_SENT:CLOSED

                    When it is static I get below - Although I see the source port also changing, strange :

                    LAN1 tcp 192.168.0.3:52469 -> 192.168.1.2:80 ESTABLISHED:ESTABLISHED
                    LAN2 tcp 192.168.1.1:52469 (192.168.0.3:52469) -> 192.168.1.2:80 ESTABLISHED:ESTABLISHED

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                      Your post does not show a change in source port.. It's 52469 from the .0.3 box and when it gets forwarded from 1.1..

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                        lavito
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                        @johnpoz:

                        Your post does not show a change in source port.. It's 52469 from the .0.3 box and when it gets forwarded from 1.1..

                        OK, get it (was late  :D).  Still don't get why non static does not work.

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by

                          No idea… Sniff the traffic to see what you get back from the syn that is sent.. My guess is your getting RST back from the device because there is a session open or something.

                          Did you try rebooting the AP?

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                          • DerelictD
                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by

                            Giving you some bunk info messing up between outbound NAT and port forwards. Sorry.

                            Set it like this:

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                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                              last edited by

                              Good catch Derelict.. This is outbound nat you wouldn't set the NAT.. That would be done automatic.  You would do that with port forward inbound.  But shouldn't it work anyway?

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                              • DerelictD
                                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                last edited by

                                That was effectively static port. I would expect that to work intermittently at best.

                                Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                  lavito
                                  last edited by

                                  @Derelict:

                                  Giving you some bunk info messing up between outbound NAT and port forwards. Sorry.

                                  Great catch!

                                  It now works ether way, when I set it as static or if I set it to any (non-static). I am now using (non-static)

                                  Thank you!

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                                    lavito
                                    last edited by

                                    @Derelict:

                                    That was effectively static port. I would expect that to work intermittently at best.

                                    I am trying to understand this statement, can you please go into a bit more detail to explain?
                                    I.e. Why would you expect this to work intermittently?

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                                    • DerelictD
                                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                      last edited by

                                      Because static port sets the NAT source port so it never changes.

                                      That was effectively setting your source port to 80 and the dest port was 80.

                                      You can only have one firewall state from ip_address_1:80 to ip_address_2:80. So even if the browser tried to open multiple connections to the AP's web interface the potential for them to fail was there.

                                      With static source port the NAT (PAT really) will work around that by translating the source port to any available port in the NAT table.

                                      You do not want or need static port here. Leave it off.

                                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                        lavito
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                                        Thanks for the info and all the help. Cheers. 8)

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