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    Changing AdvLinkMTU when using NPt

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    • N
      Napsterbater
      last edited by

      @JKnott:

      ^^^^
      Where's this 6rd coming from?  I thought the OP was talking about he.net, which uses 6in4 over a configured tunnel.  6rd is a method used by some ISPs to provide IPv6, using the ISPs IPv4 addresses.  While both methods use a tunnel for IPv6, the set up is quite different.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_rapid_deployment

      Op was using a GIF INterface and I assume he.net tunnel.

      FuN_KeY is using 6rd.

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      • JKnottJ
        JKnott
        last edited by

        AC3200 is acting as my main gateway, and I want to use it as DHCP server for local and VPN clients.

        If they were using 6rd, there'd be no need for he.net.  Either method creates an IPv6 tunnel, but you wouldn't use both.  So, it's either 6rd or he.net.  Take your pick.

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          FuN_KeY
          last edited by

          I was able to capture the packet too big on wireshark. Everything looks good, except for my Windows 10 client that appear to ignore this value.

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          • JKnottJ
            JKnott
            last edited by

            @FuN_KeY:

            I was able to capture the packet too big on wireshark. Everything looks good, except for my Windows 10 client that appear to ignore this value.

            So, it continues to send 1500 byte packets, despite the too big message?  I certainly never had a problem running Windows on IPv6, back when I used a tunnel.

            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
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            UniFi AC-Lite access point

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              Napsterbater
              last edited by

              @JKnott:

              @FuN_KeY:

              I was able to capture the packet too big on wireshark. Everything looks good, except for my Windows 10 client that appear to ignore this value.

              So, it continues to send 1500 byte packets, despite the too big message?  I certainly never had a problem running Windows on IPv6, back when I used a tunnel.

              Agreed,, I have never had an issues with PMTUD on Winows since XP..

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                Napsterbater
                last edited by

                @FuN_KeY:

                I was able to capture the packet too big on wireshark. Everything looks good, except for my Windows 10 client that appear to ignore this value.

                Any 3rd party firewall?/security software? Have you made any canges to the windows firewall.

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                  FuN_KeY
                  last edited by

                  Nope, vanilla windows 10 (tested on the host and in a VM with a fresh windows install)

                  I did attach 2 captures. In the first one, one can see the packet too big. And in the second you can see some errors beyond my basic understanding of wireshark.

                  I did filter the capture over traffic towards a web site (www.swisscom.ch) + icmpv6. Sadly the website I am having problem with uses SSL, so the capture is not that clear.

                  If I edit the services.inc to let radvd advertise a MTU of 1280 (or even 1480 - despite the 6RD being configured to use 1280) everything works fine.

                  ![wireshark 1.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/wireshark 1.PNG)
                  ![wireshark 1.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/wireshark 1.PNG_thumb)
                  ![wireshark 2.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/wireshark 2.PNG)
                  ![wireshark 2.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/wireshark 2.PNG_thumb)

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                  • JKnottJ
                    JKnott
                    last edited by

                    I haven't seen those errors before either, however it appears something might be corrupting the Ethernet frames.  There's the malformed packet error, which means there was a problem somewhere causing bit errors in the frame.  That might also be the cause of the segment errors.  There's not enough info shown to know where the problem is coming from.  Do other computers have the same problem?  If only one has the problem, I'd suspect something like a defective NIC.  The 1480 MTU shows PMTUD is working.  What other equipment is there between the Windows computer and pfSense?  Again those malformed packet, frame check sequence incorrect errors make me suspect hardware.

                    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
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                    UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                    • N
                      Napsterbater
                      last edited by

                      I just thought of something to. Is that the only site you have an issue with when you let it advertised a 1500 MTU. Because I noticed something from that site when I ran a certain test to it. I'll link and show it in a minute when I get a chance

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                      • JKnottJ
                        JKnott
                        last edited by

                        @Napsterbater:

                        I just thought of something to. Is that the only site you have an issue with when you let it advertised a 1500 MTU. Because I noticed something from that site when I ran a certain test to it. I'll link and show it in a minute when I get a chance

                        The site shouldn't cause Ethernet frame errors, as he appears to be getting.

                        PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                        i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                        UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                          Napsterbater
                          last edited by

                          @JKnott:

                          @Napsterbater:

                          I just thought of something to. Is that the only site you have an issue with when you let it advertised a 1500 MTU. Because I noticed something from that site when I ran a certain test to it. I'll link and show it in a minute when I get a chance

                          The site shouldn't cause Ethernet frame errors, as he appears to be getting.

                          Agreed. But I'm wondering if there's not two issues and while that is of course a problem maybe not the problem for that site.

                          See this
                          https://www.ipv6alizer.se?address=https://www.swisscom.ch
                          Vs
                          https://www.ipv6alizer.se?address=https://Www.facebook.com

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                          • JKnottJ
                            JKnott
                            last edited by

                            Wow, the "Output" on that site is impossible to read, with the faint green text.  I had to cut 'n paste it into another app, to read it.  Why do some people create sites that are unreadable?

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                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                              FuN_KeY
                              last edited by

                              Yep this is strange. I did some more testing, and I am also getting weird errors when I set router advertisement to 1280 (but traffic works, beside wireshark, everything is green)

                              I am unsure about bad hardware, as ipv4 works fine. Pretty much everything runs on VMs, on intel NICs. As IPv6 is not vital and that I do not see any easy way to get this sorted I might not invest too much effort in getting this working. In any case, I will report my findings here

                              In any case, thank everyone for the help.

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                              • N
                                Napsterbater
                                last edited by

                                @FuN_KeY:

                                Yep this is strange. I did some more testing, and I am also getting weird errors when I set router advertisement to 1280 (but traffic works, beside wireshark, everything is green)

                                I am unsure about bad hardware, as ipv4 works fine. Pretty much everything runs on VMs, on intel NICs. As IPv6 is not vital and that I do not see any easy way to get this sorted I might not invest too much effort in getting this working. In any case, I will report my findings here

                                In any case, thank everyone for the help.

                                You never mentioned if this effects any other site. Other then that one.

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                                • JKnottJ
                                  JKnott
                                  last edited by

                                  I am unsure about bad hardware, as ipv4 works fine.

                                  If you're getting CRC errors, you have a hardware problem that has nothing to do with IP or web site.  It could be a bad NIC, switch port, cable connection, etc., but something physical is causing that.  Are you certain you don't see any similar errors with IPv4?  You can try pinging with different size packets to test and you can also force either IPv4 or IPv6 when testing.  Do you get similar errors if you use a different computer?

                                  PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                  i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                  UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                                  • dragoangelD
                                    dragoangel @JKnott
                                    last edited by

                                    I know it old topic, but @JKnott test yourself https://meet.lync.com/ not adjusted at all

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                                    • JKnottJ
                                      JKnott @dragoangel
                                      last edited by

                                      @dragoangel said in Changing AdvLinkMTU when using NPt:

                                      I know it old topic, but @JKnott test yourself https://meet.lync.com/ not adjusted at all

                                      What am I supposed to be looking for? All I see is an error message about not being allowed to enter the meeting. Wireshark doesn't show anything unusual either. I don't see any frame errors, as was described in the previous messages.

                                      PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                      i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                      UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                                      • dragoangelD
                                        dragoangel
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                                        I'm alredy found answer on my question in https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_sfb-mso_mac-mso_o365b/skype-for-businesslync-services-dont-appear-to/c204b511-8b0b-4338-924e-729603627413?page=2 sorry =).

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                                        Unifi AP-AC-LR with EAP RADIUS, US-24

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                                        • JKnottJ
                                          JKnott @dragoangel
                                          last edited by

                                          @dragoangel said in Changing AdvLinkMTU when using NPt:

                                          I'm alredy found answer on my question

                                          Tunnels always have a smaller MTU than the underlying network, to make room for their own header. I wouldn't experience that problem here, as I'm not using a tunnel. My MTU, on both sides of pfSense, is 1500.

                                          I used to use a tunnel, with 1280 MTU.

                                          It would appear the problem is with Microsoft software (Gee... What a surprise!!! ) not properly handling PMTUD. By reducing the local MTU, packets are no longer too big to pass through a link with the smaller MTU.

                                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                                          • dragoangelD
                                            dragoangel
                                            last edited by dragoangel

                                            @JKnott Yes, I read it. They not go by RFC. And this is not first time I see it. I write them about HTTP/2 in IIS =). Same here... Lower down all LAN MTU only for some 2-3 host in Internet. Better rewrite DNS...
                                            P.S. If configure MTU on GIF to tunnelbroker - this is ok. It really 1480. And configure Squid Proxy. PC by proxy will access lync.com. This acceptable workaround #2. But without proxy - of course with brokem PMTU on MS side it anyway fail

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