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      clugo633
      last edited by

      Anyone know to upgrade/install m2 SATA on sg3100?

      Thanks

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      • ivorI
        ivor
        last edited by

        I can help with SSD model you need however we are still working on a upgrade guide as we currently only sell these units optionally pre-installed SSD. If you plan on purchasing an SSD make sure it's NGFF M.2 2242 model.

        Need help fast? Our support is available 24/7 https://www.netgate.com/support/

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          clugo633
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          Will do.  Thank you.

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by

            There are two SATA compatible m.2 slots on the 3100 with the stand-offs at different lengths. It will boot from either. They are at 42mm and 80mm so 2242 or 2280 m.2 modules.

            The 42mm slot also carries the SIM card connections and USB for a 3G/4G modem so if you are considering ever fitting one you are better to use the 80mm slot for SATA.

            Steve

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              MP-oli
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              Hello.

              I recently bought an SG-3100.
              After having updated it with an SSD I like to share a little 'How To' with interested people.

              Mount the SSD onto the board as shown on the attached picture.

              Check if the SSD was detected at boot time:

              [2.4.2-RELEASE][root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/root: dmesg | grep ada0
ada0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0
ada0: <nt-128 1.00=""> ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device
ada0: Serial Number 977120660172
ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
ada0: Command Queueing enabled
ada0: 122104MB (250069680 512 byte sectors)</nt-128>

              Creating partitions
              Create the partition table:

              [2.4.2-RELEASE][root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/root: gpart create -s gpt ada0
ada0 created

              Create two partitions:

              • A swap partition of 4GB

              • A ufs partition of 64GB

              [2.4.2-RELEASE][[email]root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/root: gpart add -t freebsd-swap -l gpswap -s 4G ada0
ada0p1 added

[2.4.2-RELEASE][[email]root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/root: gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -l gptmpfs -s 64G ada0
ada0p2 added

[2.4.2-RELEASE][[email]root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/root: gpart show -l ada0
=>       40  250069600  ada0  GPT  (119G)
         40    8388608     1  gpswap  (4.0G)
    8388648  134217728     2  gptmpfs  (64G)
  142606376  107463264        - free -  (51G)

              Check if the partitions are recognised by the OS:

              [2.4.2-RELEASE][[email]root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/root: ls -l /dev/diskid/
total 0
crw-r-----  1 root  operator  0x56 Jan 10 18:22 DISK-977120660172
crw-r-----  1 root  operator  0x59 Jan 10 18:22 DISK-977120660172p1
crw-r-----  1 root  operator  0x5a Jan 10 18:22 DISK-977120660172p2
crw-r-----  1 root  operator  0x41 Jan 10 18:22 DISK-A41EE459
crw-r-----  1 root  operator  0x44 Jan 10 18:22 DISK-A41EE459s1
crw-r-----  1 root  operator  0x45 Jan 10 18:22 DISK-A41EE459s2
crw-r-----  1 root  operator  0x49 Jan 10 18:22 DISK-A41EE459s2a

[2.4.2-RELEASE][[email]root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/root: ls /dev/gpt
gpswap  gptmpfs

              Formatting partitions
              Formatting the /tmp/cache partition:

              [2.4.2-RELEASE][root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/root: newfs -U /dev/gpt/gptmpfs
/dev/gpt/gptmpfs: 65536.0MB (134217728 sectors) block size 32768, fragment size 4096
	using 105 cylinder groups of 626.09MB, 20035 blks, 80256 inodes.
	with soft updates
super-block backups (for fsck_ffs -b #) at:
 192, 1282432, 2564672, 3846912, 5129152, 6411392, 7693632, 8975872, 10258112, 11540352, 12822592, 14104832, 15387072, 16669312, 17951552, 19233792, 20516032, 21798272, 23080512, 24362752, 25644992, 26927232, 28209472, 29491712, 30773952, 32056192, 33338432, 34620672, 35902912, 37185152, 38467392, 39749632,
 41031872, 42314112, 43596352, 44878592, 46160832, 47443072, 48725312, 50007552, 51289792, 52572032, 53854272, 55136512, 56418752, 57700992, 58983232, 60265472, 61547712, 62829952, 64112192, 65394432, 66676672, 67958912, 69241152, 70523392, 71805632, 73087872, 74370112, 75652352, 76934592, 78216832, 79499072,
 80781312, 82063552, 83345792, 84628032, 85910272, 87192512, 88474752, 89756992, 91039232, 92321472, 93603712, 94885952, 96168192, 97450432, 98732672, 100014912, 101297152, 102579392, 103861632, 105143872, 106426112, 107708352, 108990592, 110272832, 111555072, 112837312, 114119552, 115401792, 116684032, 117966272,
 119248512, 120530752, 121812992, 123095232, 124377472, 125659712, 126941952, 128224192, 129506432, 130788672, 132070912, 133353152

              The swap partition does not need formatting.

              Adapting /etc/fstab
              Add the entries for the new partitions to /etc/fstab:

              # Device	 					Mountpoint	FStype	Options		Dump	Pass#
/dev/diskid/DISK-977120660172p1	none		swap	sw		0	0
/dev/diskid/DISK-A41EE459s1			/boot/u-boot	msdosfs	rw,noatime	1	1
/dev/diskid/DISK-A41EE459s2a			/		ufs	rw,noatime	1	1
/dev/diskid/DISK-977120660172p2	/tmp/cache	ufs	rw,noatime	2	2

              Create the mount directory:

              [2.4.2-RELEASE][root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/etc: mkdir /tmp/cache

[2.4.2-RELEASE][root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/etc: mount /tmp/cache

[2.4.2-RELEASE][root@MP-SG-3100.localdomain]/etc: df
Filesystem                      1K-blocks   Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/diskid/DISK-A41EE459s2a      7351996 817852  5945988    12%    /
devfs                                   1      1        0   100%    /dev
/dev/diskid/DISK-A41EE459s1         34442   2002    32440     6%    /boot/u-boot
/dev/md0                             3484    132     3076     4%    /var/run
devfs                                   1      1        0   100%    /var/dhcpd/dev
/dev/diskid/DISK-977120660172p2  64995324      8 59795692     0%    /tmp/cache

              The swap partition can be manually activated but a reboot will do it automatically and test the system at the same time.

              After all is done the swap and the /tmp/cache partition will be displayed on the dashboard of the web interface.

              Regards.

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              • DerelictD
                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                last edited by

                I would just backup, recover to ada0, restore, and forget the on-board storage exists.

                That way you don't have to worry about upgrades, etc blowing up.

                Thanks for the info.

                Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  Nice right up.  :)

                  However I would definitely recommend installing directly to the SSD rather than trying to run across two disks.

                  The fstab may be overwritten at update and you can't be sure how things might behave if/when that happens.

                  Steve

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                  • jdillardJ
                    jdillard
                    last edited by

                    There is now a write-up in the SG-3100 manual: https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/solutions/sg-3100/m-2-sata-installation.html

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                      s0m3f00l @Derelict
                      last edited by

                      @derelict How can you directly restore to the new SSD? Do you need to reinstall the firmware or is there a process to copy and reinstall from the CLI / configurator?

                      I looked at the manual and didn't see anything other than inserting the new SSD.

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                      • DerelictD
                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @s0m3f00l
                        last edited by

                        @s0m3f00l Backup the configuration, reinstall to the SSD, Restore the backed-up configuration.

                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                          s0m3f00l @Derelict
                          last edited by

                          @derelict Awesome. Thank you. I can get the newest firmware via ticket correct? I have an older version on USB.

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                          • DerelictD
                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @s0m3f00l
                            last edited by Derelict

                            @s0m3f00l Yes.

                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                              s0m3f00l @Derelict
                              last edited by

                              @derelict Last question, How do I remove the old install? should I just mount the internal storage and "rm -rf /"? Where is the bootloader located?

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                              • GertjanG
                                Gertjan @s0m3f00l
                                last edited by

                                @s0m3f00l said in Upgrade storage on sg3100:

                                "rm -rf /"

                                Ah, the last century's 'DOS' method of upgrading.
                                Noop.

                                What about a : insert the USB key containing the new 'ISO', and do a software reboot from pfSense using the wired console access using the other (micro ?) USB port.
                                If there is a key to enter in what might be some sort of BIOS or early 'device' boot menu, use that now.
                                See the complete 3100 manual for all the details.
                                Use the boot menu - as a classic PC - to boot from the USB stick.
                                If all goes well, the installer will take tell you or propose to use or import the already existing pfSense config.
                                Let it finish installing, it will reboot. Remove the USB as soon as it reboots.
                                Admire the works.

                                Btw : I do not have or own a SG-3100, and worse, I'm writing this right out of my head, a it seesm to be the logic way.
                                Be warned : I didn't consult the manual.

                                No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                  s0m3f00l @Gertjan
                                  last edited by

                                  @gertjan I know how to upgrade I was asking about removing the old install from the old internal emmc drive, thanks though.

                                  For anyone else reading this, I got in touch with netgate TAC and they recommended leaving the old install in place as a backup to the new drive. I assume the bootloader for the sg3100 is somewhere on that internal drive so don't delete.

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by

                                    You could erase the eMMC but there is little point doing so.

                                    uboot is stored separately on an SPI chip.

                                    Steve

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                                      coastcontrol @Derelict
                                      last edited by

                                      @derelict
                                      How to backup, recover to ada0? When I use the webconfigurator Backup& Restore there is no way to tell the "system" to use ada0 for the backup location.

                                      Please tell me how to accomplish this ….
                                      I have access to the "system" through the console port using "screen" and can access the SSD M.2 drive and root directory.

                                      What to do next?

                                      Thank you!

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                                      • DerelictD
                                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @coastcontrol
                                        last edited by

                                        @coastcontrol What, exactly, are you trying to do? Reinstall to ada0 and restore the config is what it sounds like you want.

                                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                          rwq891 @MP-oli
                                          last edited by

                                          @mp-oli This procedure no longer works. I’m still trying to find one that does.

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                            last edited by

                                            You don't need to do any of that, and haven't for a long while.

                                            Just boot the recovery image from USB and choose to install to ada0. It will set the required uboot variables to boot from it.

                                            Steve

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