Admin password changed itself. Twice. Yes it did.
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@jwt:
Are there any you know of less expensive than espresso.bin?
Not at the moment, nope. Was looking at something or another on AliExpress, but then memories of BananaPi came rushing back…
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@Knyte:
@jwt:
Are there any you know of less expensive than espresso.bin?
Not at the moment, nope. Was looking at something or another on AliExpress, but then memories of BananaPi came back…
Banana Pi routers are $65 on Aliexpress
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Banana-PI-R1-Wireless-Router-Open-Source-Development-Board-BPI-R1-Smart-Home-Control-Plate/32811123035.htmlespresso.bin is $49 on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Globalscale-Technologies-Inc-SBUD102-ESPRESSObin/dp/B06Y3V2FBK/I shouldn't have to tell you which one is faster. Hint: it's not the B-Pi router.
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@jwt:
So what you're saying is just quit pfSense?
No that's not what I'm saying.
Look at how for example the Kodi Team handles the piracy box issues. Instead of investing time into a cat and mouse game with a DRM like approach, that will be broken/circumvented anyways, educate the community/people about what pfSense is. Why it's a bad idea to buy your security device from a shady vendor that ignores licenses. pfSense is quite well known, but the issue with those vendors isn't. Try to get coverage from IT magazines, bloggers even youtube channels to get the message out there.
Of course where it's possible use your legal rights to take down those vendors, just don't alienate your community or brake your back/company over them, they aren't worth this.
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@jwt:
I shouldn't have to tell you which one is faster. Hint: it's not the B-Pi router.
Nope, you sure don't. I only brought that up in the sense that it looked GREAT and interesting at the time, woohoo, lets get TWO! …then, when they arrived, it became instantly clear they're completely schizophrenic. They have built in HDMI etc, but don't function very well as a media device. If one were to install a firewall OS, it'd under-perform, as you mentioned. Could install OpenWRT and turn it into an AP, but that's under-utilizing the hardware. So, they're not really great at anything...just kinda meh at everything.
Hence, it was a bad purchase, and a bad memory :) Lesson = don't impulse buy cheap hardware. Well, at least they were cheap.
I'd much rather look more closely at what Netgate has to offer, and look for ways I can support them/you.
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@jwt:
So what you're saying is just quit pfSense?
No that's not what I'm saying.
Look at how for example the Kodi Team handles the piracy box issues. Instead of investing time into a cat and mouse game with a DRM like approach, that will be broken/circumvented anyways, educate the community/people about what pfSense is. Why it's a bad idea to buy your security device from a shady vendor that ignores licenses. pfSense is quite well known, but the issue with those vendors isn't. Try to get coverage from IT magazines, bloggers even youtube channels to get the message out there.
Of course where it's possible use your legal rights to take down those vendors, just don't alienate your community or brake your back/company over them, they aren't worth this.
Kodi has a different problem.
You won't (long) find a "Kodi box" for sale on Amazon or eBay, and you won't find a Kodi app for iPhone / iPad.
The reason why is that the content providers have been getting laws passed (for instance, in the EU). The UK has a new law, the "Digital Economy Act" that has this to say:
“A person…who infringes copyright in a work by communicating the work to the public commits an offence if [the person] knows or has reason to believe that [they are] infringing copyright in the work, and…knows or has reason to believe that communicating the work to the public will cause loss to the owner of the copyright, or will expose the owner of the copyright to a risk of loss.”
They've effectively criminalized the sale of hardware pre-loaded with Kodi. Since merely selling the box means you can be found guilty of contributory copyright infringement, and since the police in Scotland have started to equate Kodi boxes with criminal gangs, https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/police-commit-to-crackdown-on-kodi-streaming-1-4422380, the larger retail outlets have bowed out.
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@Knyte:
@jwt:
I shouldn't have to tell you which one is faster. Hint: it's not the B-Pi router.
Nope, you sure don't. I only brought that up in the sense that it looked GREAT and interesting at the time, woohoo, lets get TWO!
I also have two sitting in a cardboard box, somewhere.
@Knyte:
I'd much rather look more closely at what Netgate has to offer, and look for ways I can support them/you.
I'm curious. What would you pay for pfSense that could be loaded on espresso.bin?
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@jwt:
I'm curious. What would you pay for pfSense that could be loaded on espresso.bin?
That is a tough one to answer… being in Canada the price increases quite quickly with duties and international shipping. (Canadian Partners have not helped reduce these 2 costs - it's always been cheaper to buy direct from Netgate).
When I saw your post about Espresso.Bin on reddit, I got really excited to replace my power hungry ESXi box. I priced out the board being about $107 USD shipped or ~$140CAD (that was the 2GB model with a power brick direct from GlobalScale).
Personally for my use case (at home), I could justify spending up to $200 CAD shipped. Anything above that I would start evaluating other options (mostly a lower power/cost ESXi box).
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I’m not asking what you would pay for the hardware.
You’ve shown what it costs to get a board into Canada.The 2GB espresso.bin is $79
A power supply is ~$8.00
Total $87You’re shipped with duties at $107.
So $30 in shipping and Canada duties.
But I’m not asking what you’d pay for your router.
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@jwt:
I’m asking what you would pay for pfSense on espresso.bin.
..which leads to the questions:
- one-time purchase or subscription modell
- buy-in for one install or multiple in my kingdom
Since I have absolutely no idea about espresso.bin's capabilities what would you compare it to - APU1/2, Atom device, … ? Comparisons to SG-1000 or Lord Vader wouldn't help (me) much either...
But, maybe, this has come quite far from "Admin password changed itself. Twice. Yes it did.", hasn't it? ;)
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@jwt:
I’m asking what you would pay for pfSense on espresso.bin.
Doh… Of course, I misread your question as I was rushing to get out of the office.
Umm that's a good question. I can afford another $50 on top of my gold subscription.
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@jwt:
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Ignore the problem, and continue to put the trademark at risk
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Close down 'free" pfSense. Forever.
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Invest the time and resources in making sure that nobody can load pfSense without authorization from Netgate
We have, I think, played more than fair to this point, but this type of thing puts the business at risk in may ways.
I'm curious what the community thinks.
A subscription model would preferable to closing down 'free' pfSense.
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@jwt, you may want to pull out some of this discussion (the what can/should we do) into a separate topic for wider community input.
My couple of cents:
Licensing: most/all of pfSense is it BSD or BSD-ish License? If so, that gives you one set of options. Other licenses (GPL, et al) mean other things.Defend the trademark as vigorously as possible, don't just give up on it.
Make it clear on the front page of the website that the only official systems preinstalled are from NetGate. Anything else is "buyer beware"."free" pfSense: this is a similar situation to ixSystems and FreeNAS, no? There is value to providing a user downloadable version for use on their own hardware. What you need to do is differentiate it enough from the officially installed on Netgate hardware so folks will try the free version and then buy the preinstalled. I know, hard to do. You can't cripple the free version, you need to make the preinstalled version have useful bells and whistles. The free version also lets people that have the ability and desire generate patches for you.
Activation keys: I understand the reason and logic, but have never liked them. Too much like a "you paid money for this but we're going to control your ability to run it". Is it a "one and done" so I can reinstall on different hardware as much as I want? Is it tied to a specific version of pfSense on a specific hardware platform meaning I can't move it to different hardware if something dies? Do different features require different activation keys? Are the keys going to expire (yearly subscription)?
I don't know what's right for the project, I've always been fine with paying a resonable price for something I need and for my home use the SG2440 was more than I needed but it was a reasonable price.
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This thread been mentioned on the reddit pfsense section.. One of the comments pointed out the seller of that box also sells a pc.. And states this on the specs.. If you want the link find it on the reddit thread..
"System: Free Operating System: Default installed our activated OEM cracked version(not genuine, works good)Windows English for free,
other languages can be selected among: "WTF?? This is starting to turn into a get some popcorn sort of thread ;)
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WTF indeed.
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I'll add in another WTF. @johnpoz, I don't spend much/any time on reddit, so did not realize the exposure. Thanks
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Grab the popcorn and enjoy… Mr Robot started early. :-[
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@mer:
I don't spend much/any time on reddit
Not missing much there - at least not in the pfsense sub ;) Its better than the facebook pfsense stuff, but lots of WTF threads there all the time - hehehe
edit: There was a comment to the OP competence that gave me a nice chuckle..
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"System: Free Operating System: Default installed our activated OEM cracked version(not genuine, works good)Windows English for free,
other languages can be selected among: "Ah one of those. I bought a Cube i10 a while back for my fiance, only to find both Android and Windows had been hacked up so bad as to be unusable. Completely untrustworthy.
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@jwt:
I’m not asking what you would pay for the hardware.
<snip>I’m asking what you would pay for pfSense on espresso.bin.</snip>To echo strigona, somewhere around $100/150-ish; for what I'd need it for…home lab. If I were looking to procure something for my job, I'd entertain the idea of a scaled model, perhaps based on number of users or some such.
