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    Multi physical interface with same subnet

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    • jahonixJ
      jahonix
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      @jaf:

      if it's possible with only 1 pfsense.

      Definitely no.

      @jaf:

      …it seems it's too strange to be implemented.

      It's technically not possible to do something like that with one device.

      Imagine putting two green apples on one table. Now tell your customer to "grab the green apple".
      He just doesn't know which one.
      Same for an IP packet. It just doesn't know if it should take the left or the right route to one of two devices with the exact same address. Routing doesn't work this way.

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      • J
        jaf
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        @jahonix:

        @jaf:

        if it's possible with only 1 pfsense.

        Definitely no.

        @jaf:

        …it seems it's too strange to be implemented.

        It's technically not possible to do something like that with one device.

        Imagine putting two green apples on one table. Now tell your customer to "grab the green apple".
        He just doesn't know which one.
        Same for an IP packet. It just doesn't know if it should take the left or the right route to one of two devices with the exact same address. Routing doesn't work this way.

        Well, if it's possible to do it on 2 devices, maybe it's possible to virtualize it on 1, no?
        But I agree you must have at least 2 IP address on the wan (like you have with 2 devices) to make the difference for the 2 green apples.
        But anyway, it's to uncommon to implement something like that all in once, so I can use 2 (in reality for my project more than 2).

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        • DerelictD
          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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          Of course you could virtualize two pfSenses on one physical to do the same job as two physicals.

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          • J
            jaf
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            @Derelict:

            Of course you could virtualize two pfSenses on one physical to do the same job as two physicals.

            I wanted to say, making one VM that you call "pfsenseMulti", containing an implementation of pfsense containing all that in once, with a smart HMI like pfsense  :)

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            • jahonixJ
              jahonix
              last edited by

              @jahonix:

              It's technically not possible to do something like that with one device.

              @jaf:

              … it's to uncommon to implement something like that all in once...

              @jaf:

              …implementation of pfsense containing all that in once...

              Just out of sheer curiosity: you cannot understand or you don't want to believe that technically this is not possible?

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              • J
                jaf
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                I think the problem is that my English is not so good, and my explanation not clear. :(
                Or maybe I'm an idiot? I hope not.

                And yes, I don't understand how it can be technically impossible to develop a VM integrating the 2 devices solution, and developing a special HMI to control all that. After, you call this VM "pfsenseMulti".

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                  Huh?
                  You can for sure have a VM host box and put as many Pfsense VMS on it as you your host can support from memory and horse power..

                  The point is you can not have the same IP on the same network and expect it to work..  How you put them on different networks is up to you.. Be it virtual routers or physical ones.

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                    jaf
                    last edited by

                    @johnpoz:

                    The point is you can not have the same IP on the same network and expect it to work..

                    Where did I say this can works???
                    Sorry again if my explanations was not clear…

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                      You didn't - just pointing out this fact so everyone is clear ;)  How you create the different networks is up to you.

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                      • JKnottJ
                        JKnott
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                        @jaf:

                        I think the problem is that my English is not so good, and my explanation not clear. :(
                        Or maybe I'm an idiot? I hope not.

                        And yes, I don't understand how it can be technically impossible to develop a VM integrating the 2 devices solution, and developing a special HMI to control all that. After, you call this VM "pfsenseMulti".

                        Isn't this a heck of a lot of trouble to avoid the proper solution, that is change the IP address to a different subnet?

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          Or even a different IP on the same subnet ;)

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