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    • J
      jlibs
      last edited by

      Thanks - but that's a 40 some odd paged thread that mentions numerous other topics and I wasn't able to find any answers to get me closer to plugging in my drive.

      Does anyone know what the connector is called that is in the actual caddy?  It would be the one closest to the right in the 2nd pic I posted.

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      • GrimsonG
        Grimson Banned
        last edited by

        @jlibs:

        a 34 pin IDE connector and some type of connector that sits in the caddy that came with the device which also connects to the 34 pin via a very short IDE ribbon.

        Freshen up your computer history. There are no 34 pin IDE connectors, that's likely a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shugart_bus for a floppy drive.

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        • chpalmerC
          chpalmer
          last edited by

          Its the same connector as in the Xe-boxes.  I had a couple that I purchased and used over the years but cannot recall what they were other than normally used in some earlier laptops to connect their hard drives..  This connector supplies power to the drive as well.

          Similar to this-  http://www.techpartswarehouse.com/product/DE-8267R-Dell-Laptop-Hard-DRive-Caddy-IDE-Adapter-Connector-for-Hard-Drive-Caddy-17034.cfm

          Mine had tabs on each end for mounting to the caddy.

          http://lypctech.com/parts.asp?cid=166

          Seems slightly different but its been a while.

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          • chpalmerC
            chpalmer
            last edited by

            From-  https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/PfSense_on_Watchguard_Firebox#Further_Enhancements_3

            HD caddy: The caddy slot in the X-e is the same as in the X-Peak and hence the same applies. It's possible an official caddy was fitted in the SSL models, I've never seen one, but suitable laptop caddies fit. One laptop that had a suitable caddy is an ECS-320. In the UK it was sold rebadged as an Advent 7081 and also Patriot 2005. Possible models that used the same caddy are Advent 7086, 7094, and ECS 321. You need the metal tray that holds the HD and also the adapter that fits the socket on the motherboard.
            You can connect a hard drive without the caddy just using the adapter but you need to devise some other way of holding it. Dell use the adapter (or sufficiently similar) in a number of models, Dell part number: 6227U. It's much easier to source than the complete ECS caddy.

            http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dell+6227U

            ;D

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            • J
              jlibs
              last edited by

              Just bought one of these  - think I should be all set.  Thanks.

              https://www.ebay.com/itm/261379511071

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                The caddy connector is not the same as the Xe/X-Peak box. It's the opposite gender to start with. I never tried to fit a HD in the X-Core so I didn't research it.

                That part you purchased looks like it has a fighting chance at least.  ;)

                Steve

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                • chpalmerC
                  chpalmer
                  last edited by

                  @stephenw10:

                  The caddy connector is not the same as the Xe/X-Peak box. It's the opposite gender to start with.

                  That part you purchased looks like it has a fighting chance at least.  ;)

                  Steve

                  Its been a while since I looked..  Seems though from memory that the two plugs looked like they wouldn't work until I tried..  :o    Oh well.  Blast from the past at this point.

                  Keep us updated Jlibs!  Inquiring minds want to know.  ;D

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    Yes, the were antique when I got one years ago!  ;D

                    That box stopped booting a while back now, no way to test any more.  :(

                    Steve

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                    • J
                      jlibs
                      last edited by

                      Ok - so I finally got the connector - took waaay too long to get here but besides the point.  However I don't think this is going to work see the attached picture there is about a half inch (not even) of space left over after I plug the drive in.  The thing does fit flush it is just not wide enough to occupy the entire width of the x-core connector.  Any thoughts?

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by

                        Not sure I ever saw a HD in an X-Core though they did some SSL models based on that and I think they had a HD.  :-\

                        Steve

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                        • J
                          jlibs
                          last edited by

                          I mean do you think I should try and boot it like that?

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                          • stephenw10S
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by

                            It seems unlikely to work. It may cause damage.

                            Do the pins even line up, same spacing?

                            Steve

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                            • J
                              jlibs
                              last edited by

                              Yeah not really - the pins on the connector I bought are larger than the connector on there.  Like I said it does seem to fit in there pretty well besides that gap but I'm obviously really skeptical about it not causing damage.  I think I may just end up buying another CF at this point. Unfortunately I have a very short depth wall mounted rack and my options outside of my budget other than the x-core are somewhat limited.

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by

                                A new CF card is far safer. It sounds like that connector you have will either not work at all or actually cause damage.

                                Steve

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                                • GrimsonG
                                  Grimson Banned
                                  last edited by

                                  I would remove that connector completely and attach the drive directly to the board with a short cable, just make sure it has the right number of pins (44 not 34).

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                                  • J
                                    jlibs
                                    last edited by

                                    So I took Grimson's advice and ended up ordering a 6" 44 PIN ribbon (one I had was too short) and was able to conjure up a pretty straight forward mounting solution for the drive as well.  However - I think I may have other problems as I'm not able to boot a new CF card nor the drive.  I've started a new post on that - just figured I'd let you all know.  Appreciate the replies on this thread however.

                                    https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=148139.msg804702#msg804702

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