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      iHugoF
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      I found this on another forum...Makes any sense?

      This and similar errors RECENTLY started happening to me too. It appears that dhcpd made a significant change in how it handles ranges assigned to a subnet. It appears that if you have any hosts with a fixed-address that exists in your range, the entire range is ignored for anything other than your host entries! This IMHO is a step backwards, but here is my workaround (declare every address in your range as a range itself)
      

      From what I understand...if someone has a fixed address, the dhcpd goes crazy and ignores the range?! Is this correct?!

      Thank you!

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        kpa
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        That's how it has been as long as I can remember, the dynamic range is for truly dynamic addresses and static mappings have to outside any dynamic range.

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          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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          pfsense gui will not let you put in a reservation for an IP that is inside your pool.

          Other than windows dhcp, which allows for reservations inside a pool.. Yeah your reservations are outside your pool range.. Is that what causing you problems?

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          • GertjanG
            Gertjan
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            What I make of it :

            @ihugof said in DHCP - No Free Leases (pf_2.4.3-release-p1):

            It appears that if you have any hosts with a fixed-address that exists in your range,

            So : "If there is some device that has a fixed IP - and this IP is within a pool of the serving DHCP, dhcpd goes on strike".
            It can be any client with a user (who doesn't like DHCP) and he assigned to his device a static IP, which brings down the whole cirque ?

            If this IP can be arpped down, that you should try to firewall it out, and restart dhcpd ...

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            Edit : and where are the logs ??

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              iHugoF @kpa
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              @kpa

              The thing is...anyone can decide to try to fix their IP...and that seems to "crash" the dhcpd...

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                iHugoF @johnpoz
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                @johnpoz

                It seems that anyone that try to fix their own IP...can cause problems...Which is kind of dumb...dhcpd side anyway...

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                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by johnpoz

                  I have never seen that... I can try and duplicate here.

                  Just so everyone is clear your pool is say .100 to .200

                  Then some client sets itself static at .150 and your saying dhcpd stops handing out any IP/Leases in that pool.. Or fails to hand out to a client asking for .150?

                  That would be stupid and for sure an issue, because your saying any single client on a network could cause what amounts to a dos attack just by setting a static IP to some other IP in the range it got from the dhcpd at first.

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                    iHugoF @Gertjan
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                    @gertjan

                    Yes...it seems to be that...which is dumb, but it seems that if anyone fixes one IP, the dhcpd considers that subnet as "full"...
                    That would explain why some ppl still were able to get an IP and others didn't...

                    Will need to test this someway...

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                      iHugoF @johnpoz
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                      @johnpoz

                      I never had this issue on other *nix boxes or any other dhcp servers...

                      I still don't know if this is the issue, but it kind of makes sense...since it's the only explanation until now...:)

                      What I understand from some other post was:

                      • I have for example a /19 network that goes from 10.0.192.0 to 10.0.223.255
                      • If someones fixes the IP 10.0.194.10, for example...then all leases from that IP forward, will remain as "in use";
                      • Only IPs from 10.0.192.0 to 10.0.194.9 will be available for lease.

                      If it's not this...then I've no clue why a scope with 8000+ IPs, gets full after 1200+ leased IPs...

                      Thx!

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                        last edited by johnpoz

                        And you tracked down this 10.0.194.10 IP and it was set static?

                        In all my years have not seen this.. What I have seen is duplicate IP issues where someone set IP in pool to static, then for whatever reason the IP detection mech fails.. client with dupe off for example during the leasing ie client/server send out out arp/ping looking to see if IP is in use before requested by client or handed out by dhcpd.

                        This should be easy enough to try and duplicate.. And I agree this could be a issue for sure since it would mean that any client could even without even trying on purpose create a dos.

                        https://www.isc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/dhcp44.html#IP%20ADDRESS%20CONFLICT%20PREVENTION
                        IP ADDRESS CONFLICT PREVENTION

                        The DHCP server checks IP addresses to see if they are in use before allocating them to clients. It does this by sending an ICMP Echo request message to the IP address being allocated. If no ICMP Echo reply is received within a second, the address is assumed to be free. This is only done for leases that have been specified in range statements, and only when the lease is thought by the DHCP server to be free - i.e., the DHCP server or its failover peer has not listed the lease as in use.

                        If a response is received to an ICMP Echo request, the DHCP server assumes that there is a configuration error - the IP address is in use by some host on the network that is not a DHCP client. It marks the address as abandoned, and will not assign it to clients. The lease will remain abandoned for a minimum of abandon-lease-time seconds.

                        If a DHCP client tries to get an IP address, but none are available, but there are abandoned IP addresses, then the DHCP server will attempt to reclaim an abandoned IP address. It marks one IP address as free, and then does the same ICMP Echo request check described previously. If there is no answer to the ICMP Echo request, the address is assigned to the client.

                        The DHCP server does not cycle through abandoned IP addresses if the first IP address it tries to reclaim is free. Rather, when the next DHCPDISCOVER comes in from the client, it will attempt a new allocation using the same method described here, and will typically try a new IP address.

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                        • GertjanG
                          Gertjan
                          last edited by Gertjan

                          I had some time this night, and did some tests.

                          My dhcpd pool range is 192.168.2.10 -> 192.168.2.254. Gateway and DNS == pfSense = 192.168.2.1 / 24
                          It concerns an interface running the captive portal.

                          I used 2 windows PC's, and gave them static IP's right into the pool (and DNS / Gateway = 192.168.2.1 ). I checked if the IP that was assigning was used ones but expired some time ago.
                          I didn't notice any suspected behavior, and could use the portal as any other device.
                          Further DHCP clients could obtain a lease, the portal kept working for them.
                          No unusual lines in the dhcp log.

                          Btw : Status => DHCP Leases and click on "Show all configured leases" at the bottom of the screen.
                          For me, this will show all leases, expired, or not. There are actually 254-10=244 IP listed, they all have been used ones in the past, but are recycled by dhcpd when needed.

                          Leases are expired after 12 hours - captive portal hard time out is 6 hours.

                          0_1533878297656_05ade006-8c87-4508-b012-0c6e5c48950a-image.png

                          Works for .... nearly ten years now.

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                          Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                            iHugoF @johnpoz
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                            @johnpoz

                            No, it was just an example from what I got on some other post...
                            That was what someone said it tried and what he found to be the truth...:)

                            I'll try to do some tests, but last time it took more than 24h for the problem to resurface...

                            Thx!

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                              iHugoF
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                              I've enabled the dhcp server on pfsense again, at 07:23am (UTC+1)...let's see how long it takes to start getting the "no free leases" message...

                              On Status/DHCP Leases I've 1718 leases in use.
                              If I press "Show all configures leases" button it shows 3489 in use.

                              Most of these leases shown are "offline" and "expired"...since yesterday...
                              Will dhcpd use these "expired" ones when it needs a free lease?

                              It looks to me that it's keeping them and not releasing them, even when they expired the day before...

                              It's 09:42am (UTC+1) and still no problems...:-)

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                                iHugoF
                                last edited by iHugoF

                                I guess I've spotted the problem...
                                dhcpd is not deleting/reusing the "expired" leases...

                                I've 3000+ leases right now...and it says this:

                                0_1533909240905_9f7d3792-ff7a-4ad1-9cfd-69e7532851a1-image.png

                                From these 7137, only 3088 are active leases...
                                Most of leases have expire time of yesterday...but they still exist, they were not deleted...:-/

                                0_1533909419403_8798df3b-4e3c-462a-8dd6-930dcd1ac1d2-image.png

                                These should already been removed but they're still here...

                                From what I know from dhcpd, this is normal, since it's just keeping the expired leases, waiting for the same device to come back later...

                                dhcpd should clean theses leases after a while or when it needs leases, but that's not happening...

                                Any ideas?

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                                  JKnott @johnpoz
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                                  @johnpoz said in DHCP - No Free Leases (pf_2.4.3-release-p1):

                                  The DHCP server checks IP addresses to see if they are in use before allocating them to clients. It does this by sending an ICMP Echo request message to the IP address being allocated. If no ICMP Echo reply is received within a second, the address is assumed to be free.

                                  I just checked that, using both Wireshark and Packet Capture. I did not see that ping. I did very that normal pings were captured. Duplicate address detection is mandatory with IPv6 and often used with IPv4. However, that uses arp requests, on IPv4, or neighbour solicitations, on IPv6, to see if the address is in use. This test is done by the device prior to using an assigned address and not the DHCP server.

                                  BTW, I watched for both ICMP and to the broadcast MAC address. I didn't see the ping either way.

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                                    Gertjan @iHugoF
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                                    @ihugof said in DHCP - No Free Leases (pf_2.4.3-release-p1):

                                    I guess I've spotted the problem...
                                    dhcpd is not deleting/reusing the "expired" leases...

                                    From these 7137, only 3088 are active leases...
                                    Most of leases have expire time of yesterday...but they still exist, they were not deleted...:-/

                                    Noop.
                                    If a device (MAC) comes back, hours, days or weeks after expiration, dhcpd tries to give it back the same IP it gave it ones, in the past. If still available - and marked as such in the file. This file is the 'memory' of dhcpd.
                                    "expired"means : reusable by the same MAC (device), if it comes back some time, or any other MAC (device) if it is needed.
                                    "expired" == freely available IP for any device.

                                    I'm wondering if dhcpd is reading and writing this file as it should be on your system.
                                    The file is actually a dump of the internal structures dhcpd uses. This way, when the process is restarted, it's read so it (dhcpd) has a notion of the past - and what is distributed what to who - and when.

                                    dhcpd often restarts on your system ?
                                    File system problems ?

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                                    Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                      iHugoF
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                                      So...I arrived this morning and...

                                      0_1534140375118_97422697-f00d-4578-a475-eea24e1fb504-image.png

                                      When showing all leases...

                                      0_1534140461430_46c9bcb7-3cb3-4aec-a78e-e61aac404caa-image.png

                                      And of course...on the logs:

                                      0_1534140532489_df9cbd60-3c79-468f-bc77-c5e381967f5c-image.png

                                      So the idea that dhcpd on pfsense it's not releasing the IPs as it should...it's correct!

                                      Really going nuts with this one!!! :-/
                                      Makes no sense!

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                                        iHugoF @Gertjan
                                        last edited by iHugoF

                                        @gertjan

                                        That's what I thought I knew about dhcpd...:o)
                                        Don't know why it's being different on pfsense...

                                        As you can see from my last post, all leases are used up and new clients can't get a lease...even when there are just a 300+ users at this time, from the 8000+ leases.

                                        Aug 13 07:17:46	dhcpd		DHCPDISCOVER from 6c:27:79:xx:xx:xx via em11: network 10.0.192.0/19: no free leases
                                        Aug 13 07:17:46	dhcpd		DHCPDISCOVER from 94:0e:6b:xx:xx:xx via em11: network 10.0.192.0/19: no free leases
                                        Aug 13 07:17:45	dhcpd		DHCPDISCOVER from 58:e2:8f:xx:xx:xx via em11: network 10.0.192.0/19: no free leases
                                        Aug 13 07:17:43	dhcpd		DHCPDISCOVER from 00:22:57:xx:xx:xx via em11: network 10.0.192.0/19: no free leases
                                        Aug 13 07:17:43	dhcpd		DHCPACK on 10.0.219.170 to 3c:fa:43:xx:xx:xx (android-2800483908312c30) via em11
                                        

                                        I can't find these clients on the leases files, so they are new ones...
                                        So why don't they get an expired lease?
                                        There are like 7000+ expired leases...

                                        About the dhcpd process...that's a weird one...seems to be running from just today...

                                        dhcpd   35140    0.0  0.1   20748   9724  -  Ss   07:23        0:00.38 /usr/local/sbin/ 35140 dhcpd               07:23          10:37
                                        
                                        -rw-r--r--  1 dhcpd  _dhcp   2.2M Aug 13 07:56 dhcpd.leases
                                        

                                        But all pfsense services seem to be doing the same...
                                        Last reboot was on 23 Jul'18.

                                        What kind of file system problems?
                                        I could I check those?

                                        Thx!

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                                          Gertjan @iHugoF
                                          last edited by Gertjan

                                          This image shows the number of leases that are active and thus not in the expired state :

                                          0_1534140375118_97422697-f00d-4578-a475-eea24e1fb504-image.png

                                          Next image : this shows merely all possible leases - the size of the pool : 8157 - expired, active; whatever - all of it. It's just a dump of the dhcpd leases file (I guess).

                                          When showing all leases...
                                          0_1534140461430_46c9bcb7-3cb3-4aec-a78e-e61aac404caa-image.png

                                          So the idea that dhcpd on pfsense it's not releasing the IPs as it should...it's correct!

                                          There is not such thing as "dhpcd releasing the leases". They expire - or are renewed before the end of the leasey by the device that uses a lease.
                                          When no renew happens, after the lease time, they just expire and are re distributable to any device asking (new) for one.
                                          When the lease isn't expired, a lease can only be renew by the device "owning" the IP at that moment.

                                          For me it clear that, when you took the screen shots, 340 leases are open - out of the 8157 available.

                                          Example :
                                          0_1534141488884_9c1c2052-ff87-4f78-94dc-dc46a034f380-image.png

                                          My pool is 243 IP's : (250-8).
                                          Still, my dhcpd is serving IP's - because most of these IP's (leases) are in the expired state, so given to any one who needs one.
                                          Could you describe your dhcp server settings - what did you take out the the default state ?
                                          Some smart switches or other devices down stream that could manipule the DHCP requets ?
                                          Just an idea : check out the DHCP log : a device is hammering with changing MAC address thus depleting the pool rapidly ?
                                          Whatever ...

                                          Remember : your DHCP server and mine are exactly the same. The only thing that is different are the settings.

                                          edit Read : https://serverfault.com/questions/151224/dhcpd-wont-let-go-of-old-leases - an example how a roque client can eat all leases rapidly - and a method how to find that client.
                                          Worse : "Client ignore packet or never receive it" : another DHCPDISCOVER will follow, with another DHCPOFFER with another IP ....

                                          No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                          Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                            iHugoF @Gertjan
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                                            @gertjan

                                            Here are the settings:

                                            option domain-name "gestao";
                                            option ldap-server code 95 = text;
                                            option domain-search-list code 119 = text;
                                            option arch code 93 = unsigned integer 16; # RFC4578
                                            
                                            default-lease-time 7200;
                                            max-lease-time 86400;
                                            log-facility local7;
                                            one-lease-per-client true;
                                            deny duplicates;
                                            ping-check true;
                                            update-conflict-detection false;
                                            authoritative;
                                            subnet 10.0.192.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 {
                                                    pool {
                                                            option domain-name-servers 10.0.223.250;
                                                            ignore bootp;
                                            
                                                            range 10.0.192.20 10.0.223.240;
                                                    }
                                            
                                                    option routers 10.0.223.250;
                                                    option domain-name-servers 10.0.223.250;
                                                    default-lease-time 3600;
                                                    max-lease-time 3601;
                                                    option ntp-servers pool.ntp.org;
                                            
                                            }
                                            

                                            That's the thing...I don't think they are being marked as expired...
                                            Maybe because of this on the .conf file...?

                                            default-lease-time 7200;
                                            max-lease-time 86400;
                                            

                                            I say this because I noticed that most leases have 24h expiration time and that's is not what I configured...
                                            I tried to manually alter this but it always reverts to the same...

                                            Help?! :)

                                            Thx!

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