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    • KOMK
      KOM @occamsrazor
      last edited by

      @occamsrazor Jimp did a quick bit on codel during the last Hangout, with a config example.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8nL81DzTlU&t=380

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      • occamsrazorO
        occamsrazor @KOM
        last edited by

        @kom said in Playing with fq_codel in 2.4:

        @occamsrazor Jimp did a quick bit on codel during the last Hangout, with a config example.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8nL81DzTlU&t=380

        Thanks. That's a nice and easy guide. I followed all the steps but wondering if I've done something wrong as the results are inferior to without. I'm on a 50MB dsl connection and before this got this result:

        <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/39052963"><img src="http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/39052963.png"></a>

        I had an A and A+ score so maybe the traffic shaper is not even needed. After enabling the shaper as per the video with WANDown bandwidth set to 50MB and WanUp set to 40MB, I get this:

        <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/39053743"><img src="http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/39053743.png"></a>

        My bufferbloat score is way worse as is my bandwidth. One thing I notice, when I go to PFSense > Status > Queues it says "Traffic shaping is not configured." - is that normal for this traffic shaping method?

        pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
        Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
        Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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          zwck @occamsrazor
          last edited by zwck

          @occamsrazor

          go to command prompt and type "ipfw sched show" and print the output please

          typo :( sorry

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          • occamsrazorO
            occamsrazor @zwck
            last edited by

            @zwck said in Playing with fq_codel in 2.4:

            ipfw shed show

            Thanks, output is:

            ipfw: bad command `shed'
            

            I set up the two limiters as in the video:

            0_1537256451183_Screen Shot 2018-09-18 at 10.39.21.jpg

            And the rule in the Firewall Floating tab:

            0_1537256567789_Screen Shot 2018-09-18 at 10.41.45.jpg

            Is there supposed to be something showing in the queues tab?

            0_1537256480988_Screen Shot 2018-09-18 at 10.39.28.jpg

            pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
            Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
            Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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            • GertjanG
              Gertjan
              last edited by

              ipfw sched show
              

              No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
              Edit : and where are the logs ??

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              • occamsrazorO
                occamsrazor @Gertjan
                last edited by

                @gertjan said in Playing with fq_codel in 2.4:

                ipfw sched show
                

                Thanks, output is:

                00001:  50.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0
                q65537  50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 1 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
                 sched 1 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 1 active
                 FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
                   Children flowsets: 1
                BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp
                  0 ip           0.0.0.0/0             0.0.0.0/0        2      738  0    0   0
                00002:  40.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0
                q65538  50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 2 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
                 sched 2 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 0 active
                 FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
                   Children flowsets: 2
                

                pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
                Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
                Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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                  zwck
                  last edited by zwck

                  @occamsrazor said in Playing with fq_codel in 2.4:

                  FQ_CODEL

                  sched shed shit :D

                  sorry for the typo, when you run the dslspeedtest you should see in this output if fq_codel is active, which from here it seems like it is.

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                    zwck
                    last edited by

                    @mattund I watched the video linked before and end up with more question then before. Do we use masks or not. ? Do we use ECN or not, i remember on the upload side we should not use ECN.

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                    • occamsrazorO
                      occamsrazor
                      last edited by occamsrazor

                      Not sure what changed but now my setup seems to be working OK...

                      https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/39073625

                      This while doing speedtest:

                      Shell Output - ipfw sched show
                      
                      00001:  50.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0
                      q65537  50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 1 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
                       sched 1 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 1 active
                       FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
                         Children flowsets: 1
                      BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp
                        0 ip           0.0.0.0/0             0.0.0.0/0      653   974276  0    0   0
                      00002:  40.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0
                      q65538  50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 2 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
                       sched 2 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 1 active
                       FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
                         Children flowsets: 2
                        0 ip           0.0.0.0/0             0.0.0.0/0       59     3149  0    0   0
                      

                      Is fq_codel adaptive to bandwidth in some way? I'm wondering what to put for the WAN bandwidth values in the limiter, as my speeds can sometimes vary during the day.

                      Also, I am running pfBlocker developer version. Should the fq_codel floating rule be above or below all the pfb rules?

                      pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
                      Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
                      Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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                        xciter327 @occamsrazor
                        last edited by xciter327

                        @occamsrazor said in Playing with fq_codel in 2.4:

                        Not sure what changed but now my setup seems to be working OK...

                        https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/39073625

                        This while doing speedtest:

                        Shell Output - ipfw sched show
                        
                        00001:  50.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0
                        q65537  50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 1 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
                         sched 1 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 1 active
                         FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
                           Children flowsets: 1
                        BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp
                          0 ip           0.0.0.0/0             0.0.0.0/0      653   974276  0    0   0
                        00002:  40.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0
                        q65538  50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 2 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
                         sched 2 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 1 active
                         FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
                           Children flowsets: 2
                          0 ip           0.0.0.0/0             0.0.0.0/0       59     3149  0    0   0
                        

                        Is fq_codel adaptive to bandwidth in some way? I'm wondering what to put for the WAN bandwidth values in the limiter, as my speeds can sometimes vary during the day.

                        Also, I am running pfBlocker developer version. Should the fq_codel floating rule be above or below all the pfb rules?

                        The pfb rules are block/reject so it should not matter. This should only apply on pass/match rules depending on what You are trying to achieve.

                        ps. - I don't thin fq_codel is adaptive bandwidth. Normally I set it to 90% link speed a peak hours(like 8-9PM) in the evening.

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                        • KOMK
                          KOM @occamsrazor
                          last edited by

                          @occamsrazor Conventional wisdom says to measure your WAN link speed several times throughout the week, at various times of the day, and then use 90-95% of your LOWEST value.

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                          • occamsrazorO
                            occamsrazor @KOM
                            last edited by

                            @kom Thanks. I was doing some testing last night with the fq_codel download bandwidth set to 50Mbit, and when I was running a popular torrent I hit a sustained download rate of over 100Mbit. So it would seem to me that this "limit" isn't actually a hard limit. Can that be right? Or does fq_codel only affect TCP traffic (my torrent client is set to use uTP)

                            pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
                            Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
                            Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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                            • KOMK
                              KOM @occamsrazor
                              last edited by

                              @occamsrazor I have no idea. I'm fairly dumb when it comes to QoS, and know just enough to be dangerous. I haven't played with codel at all.

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                                dtaht
                                last edited by

                                you should not be able to achieve a higher rate than htb (hfsc?) specifies. There are a lot of ways to configure htb wrong (like not classifying all packets correctly), there have also been bugs in some versions.

                                Your initial result (2mbits!?) implied to me you'd got the kbit or mbit setting wrong.

                                The oddity of your current result implies you are putting utp traffic into another bin entirely. try to build the simplest possible thing that feeds all packets into a single fq_codel instance. Post your code.

                                The fq part of fq codel works on all packets, the codel part works well on anything that is tcp-friendly, which certainly includes utp and quic.

                                I don't know enough about bsd to help, we found trying to configure this stuff in the linux sqm-scripts so painful that we ended up replacing it all with the one-liner that is sch_cake.

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                                • occamsrazorO
                                  occamsrazor @dtaht
                                  last edited by

                                  @dtaht said in Playing with fq_codel in 2.4:

                                  you should not be able to achieve a higher rate than htb (hfsc?) specifies. There are a lot of ways to configure htb wrong (like not classifying all packets correctly), there have also been bugs in some versions.

                                  What is HTB? And my understanding is with fq_codel we are not using HFSC? I followed the video so I have the WANDown and WANup limiters under the limiters section, but when I click on "By Interface" > "WAN" I don't have anything enabled in that section, and nothing in the "By Queue" section....... should I?

                                  Post your code.

                                  I'm doing it all through the GUI. Is there a command to show the configuration easily?

                                  @kom said in Playing with fq_codel in 2.4:

                                  @occamsrazor ............know just enough to be dangerous.

                                  Same here :-)

                                  pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
                                  Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
                                  Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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                                    dtaht
                                    last edited by

                                    What you folk are calling a limiter, I call a shaper. The two most common algorithms are token bucket and hfsc. google 'em. I have no idea which or an alternative are being used in the "limiter" concept here (?), nor do I have any idea how this gui is configured, I'm hoping others that are more familiar with bsd and pfsense can chime in. I'm just the co-founder of the bufferbloat project and care deeply seeing about seeing rfc8290 get deployed properly everywhere.

                                    I do think you need to enable things on the wan and queue sections but all I can point to at the moment is how to set up "sqm" properly on things like openwrt. Perhaps one of those tutorials would help in creating an analogy for this OS?

                                    https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/traffic-shaping/sqm

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                                      gsmornot
                                      last edited by gsmornot

                                      I'm trying this with a gigabit service and so far no matter what instructions I follow codelq performs better for me. With codelq I see an A each time on the dslreports test. With fq_codel I see a C.

                                      00001: 900.000 Mbit/s 0 ms burst 0
                                      q65537 50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 1 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
                                      sched 1 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 0 active
                                      FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
                                      Children flowsets: 1
                                      00002: 940.000 Mbit/s 0 ms burst 0
                                      q00002 50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 2 weight 1 lmax 0 pri 0 AQM CoDel target 5ms interval 100ms ECN
                                      sched 2 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 0 active
                                      FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
                                      Children flowsets: 2

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                                      • H
                                        Hugovsky
                                        last edited by Hugovsky

                                        Remember to flush firewall states between each test.

                                        EDIT: what is your hardware and what packages do you use?

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                                          gsmornot
                                          last edited by

                                          Hardware is SG-3100 and packages are Avahi, nut, openvpn client export, and pfblockerng. So, not a lot. Overall the network is great, the only time I see the score is testing. I'm just saying my score is better with codelq than fq-codel after following the video guide. I reset states between testing.

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                                            dtaht @gsmornot
                                            last edited by

                                            @gsmornot your post was fq_codel both times... Does your bandwidth change vs a vs codelq? If you are running out of cpu...

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