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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
      last edited by johnpoz

      @vamike said in Building pfsense box:

      APU2

      What is the price point? The older netgate units that are APU2 were over 300 and couldn't do gig I don't think, etc.

      What I mean from game changer point of view is the ability for netgate to sell a more home friendly priced box to compete with these diy and china boxes, etc. The sg1000 is ok, but it can not handle decent speeds and many power users that would want to run pfsense in the ifrst place prob have a higher end inet connection. But the next level box is in the 350$ which is high end of budget for many home users.

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        Johnnyk
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        So i made down payment of $170 for Metronet fios, will be installed this coming tuesday. Once my bike is paid off, i will save for pfsense device, by then, new tech andnhope cheaper prices will be available.

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          VAMike @johnpoz
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          @johnpoz netgate rebadged the pcengines apu1 and called it either APU2 or APU4 depending on the RAM size. It's been confusing people ever since the pcengines apu2 was released. (Completely different CPU, NIC, etc.) The pcengines apu2 runs about $150 (they're actually cheaper than the apu1, lower component costs).

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            Johnnyk
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            Okay guys this one really slipped me I am not getting one gigabyte per second with fiber optics I just double-checked it is 1 gigabit equaling 125 megabytes per second. So this changes the game.

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              Not really. We all assumed 1Gbps because 1GBps would be 8Gbps which is very unlikely. Impossible on FiOS I would say.

              Everything above is still true.

              Steve

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                Johnnyk @Johnnyk
                last edited by Johnnyk

                @stephenw10 said in Building pfsense box:

                Not really. We all assumed 1Gbps because 1GBps would be 8Gbps which is very unlikely. Impossible on FiOS I would say.

                Everything above is still true.

                Steve

                I have a question why is internal Network most new routers are 1000 megabyte per second equaling 1 GB per second? Right I think that's right. I thought fiber optics could deliver much more than one gigabyte per second and I thought one gigabyte per second was standard for residential.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by stephenw10

                  Well here in the UK I'm stuck at 80Mbps so.... ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  But, no, some ISPs seem to be starting to offer >1Gbps but most are not. There are a few threads here about 1.5Gbps connections. But for residential internet 1Gbps is about all you can expect right now.

                  The fibre itself may be able to carry more but that doesn't mean the isp infratructure can.

                  And most SOHO routers are Gigabit internally, that's 1Gbps.

                  Steve

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                    VAMike @Johnnyk
                    last edited by VAMike

                    @johnnyk nobody is delivering residential gigabyte service. Confusion is rampant. I avoid this by trying to use Gbit and Gbyte rather than "Gb" or "GB" and hoping people know what those mean.

                    To get gigabyte per second performance you'd need 10 gigabit per second networking. Most new routers do not do that.

                    Networking speeds are generally measured in bits (because they're descended from telecoms where a bit is a thing), other computer speeds like disks and memory are measured in bytes (because most basic computer operations don't involve less than a byte).

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                      Johnnyk @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10 said in Building pfsense box:

                      Well here in the UK I'm stuck at 80Mbps so.... ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      But, no, some ISPs seem to be starting to offer >1Gbps but most are not. There are a few threads here about 1.5Gbps connections. But for residential internet 1Gbps is about all you can expect right now.

                      The fibre itself may be able to carry more but that doesn't mean the isp infratructure can.

                      And most SOHO routers are Gigabit internally, that's 1Gbps.

                      Steve

                      Yup, I just checked with HWINFO app, and it does indeed say 1000Mbps adapter, now I see. All this time I had it wrong.

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                        Johnnyk
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                        So yea, I am maxing my network adapter with this FIOS@125MB/s.
                        Yea, I understand Kb/KB/Mb/MB/Gb/GB, I adapted to using MB vs Mbps.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          Yes, it's a very common mistake. So common in fact that I just assumed you meant bits. I apologise.

                          Anyway be happy you have access to 1Gbps while I wait for another download to complete! โ˜บ

                          Steve

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                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @VAMike
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                            @vamike said in Building pfsense box:

                            The pcengines apu2 runs about $150

                            And it can push gig internet?

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                              VAMike @johnpoz
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                              @johnpoz it can push gigabit all day long under linux+iptables. last I looked it was a little slower with pf (800 something Mbps) but as I said above it may be better with the isr deferred config. it cannot do gigabit pppoe, and openvpn speeds are somewhere around 50-100Mbps.

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