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    ghengis5 @stephenw10
    last edited by Nov 9, 2018, 10:08 PM

    @stephenw10 I have the i3-4130 is 54 TDP. Not sure if the fans will cool the CPU...

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      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by Nov 9, 2018, 11:22 PM

      They will. That's only very slightly higher than the standard CPU. But bare in mind that is the maximum power dissipation required. It's given so that system designers can use an appropriate cooling system. The CPU will be using only a fraction of that power most of the time. The entire system uses a lot less that 54W most of the time unless the CPU is worked hard.

      Steve

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        eisenb11 @Scorch95
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          eisenb11 @Scorch95
          last edited by Nov 11, 2018, 12:03 AM

          @scorch95 said in Watchguard Firebox M400:

          I recently found my m400 has issues doing reboots. It seems to hang at the end of the shutdown and never actually restarts. It can perform a halt correctly just not a reboot. Anyone else have this issue?

          I can confirm that I'm having this issue as well when I select "Reboot" from the Diagnostics -> Reboot GUI option.

          The system appears to hang, so I need to turn it off (hold the power button for a few seconds) and turn it back on. Happens 100% of the time.

          I'm on the latest release version: 2.4.4

          Minor annoyance, but would be neat if anyone knows how to fix this?

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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by Nov 11, 2018, 12:48 AM

            It's usually some ACPI issue when that happens. Did it happen with the default CPU?

            Steve

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              eisenb11 @stephenw10
              last edited by eisenb11 Nov 11, 2018, 4:01 AM Nov 11, 2018, 3:59 AM

              @stephenw10 said in Watchguard Firebox M400:

              It's usually some ACPI issue when that happens. Did it happen with the default CPU?

              Steve

              I rebooted it once from the serial console without issue when I did the install. Didn't try the GUI option because I shut it down once I had it configured.

              Then it stayed off until I put it in service after the CPU swap.

              Edit -

              Actually in hindsight, I think I did reboot it once from the GUI with the original CPU without issue.

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                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by Nov 11, 2018, 11:50 AM

                Reboots no problem here with the original Celeron. I wouldn't actually expect a CPU swap to cause that really. Maybe reset the CMOS to be sure you haven't picked up some odd setting.

                Steve

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                  eisenb11 @stephenw10
                  last edited by Nov 11, 2018, 4:16 PM

                  @stephenw10 said in Watchguard Firebox M400:

                  Reboots no problem here with the original Celeron. I wouldn't actually expect a CPU swap to cause that really. Maybe reset the CMOS to be sure you haven't picked up some odd setting.

                  Steve

                  Perhaps it more likely has to do with the storage swap?

                  I believe that Scorch and I both have our systems booting from SSD. I have no CF card loaded into the reader.

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                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by Nov 11, 2018, 4:30 PM

                    Could be. I'm running from CF and hence have no SWAP and have /var and /tmp as RAM drives.

                    Steve

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                      eisenb11 @stephenw10
                      last edited by Nov 11, 2018, 4:50 PM

                      @stephenw10 is there a shutdown option via the GUI? I could just as easily use that when I want to reboot and then just press the power button. Or just ssh in and halt?

                      It’s a workaround but, realistically, rebooting is a rare occasion.

                      Thanks

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                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by Nov 11, 2018, 4:52 PM

                        Yup, Diag > Halt System.

                        You can also do a graceful shutdown using the button. It works as an ACPI power button.

                        Steve

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                          eisenb11 @stephenw10
                          last edited by Nov 11, 2018, 5:01 PM

                          @stephenw10 Awesome, thanks!

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                            zanthos
                            last edited by Nov 18, 2018, 9:26 PM

                            Hi there,
                            I recently purchased a used M400.

                            What about upgrading to a Intel Xeon E3-1285L v3 3.1GHz?
                            If the microcode in the BIOS should be missing, I guess it could be injected and thus enabled…

                            Any other suggested CPU upgrade?

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                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by Nov 18, 2018, 9:39 PM

                              Might work. The Lanner unit it's based on lists i3, i5 and i7 only. They don't list Celeron though so....

                              Steve

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                                zanthos @zanthos
                                last edited by Dec 6, 2018, 8:51 AM

                                @zanthos said in Watchguard Firebox M400:

                                Hi there,
                                I recently purchased a used M400.

                                What about upgrading to a Intel Xeon E3-1285L v3 3.1GHz?
                                If the microcode in the BIOS should be missing, I guess it could be injected and thus enabled…

                                Any other suggested CPU upgrade?

                                A quick update:
                                Intel Xeon E3-1285L v3 @3.1GHz is just Plug'n'Play. It works out of the box ☺ ✌
                                I haven't done any further testing. Also i couldn't check for any BIOS Errors, since I have no VGA screen attached and the serial console is silent...

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                                  Myst412 @stephenw10
                                  last edited by Myst412 Dec 30, 2018, 7:02 AM Dec 30, 2018, 7:01 AM

                                  @stephenw10

                                  Sorry to bother,

                                  Do you recall the exact settings you changed in order to reduce fan speed? I lowered all of the Fanout values significantly (not much documentation from AMI on Fan out) and they're still screaming on my M500

                                  I also noticed 2 sets of values under Main and then the corresponding heirarchy. Does location matter?

                                  Also, did you try getting a BIOS from Lanner?

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                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by Dec 30, 2018, 12:36 PM

                                    I found you have to set the values in both places. The whole editing process seems quite flaky to be honest.

                                    I did not try to get a BIOS from Lanner.

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                                    Steve

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                                      Myst412
                                      last edited by Myst412 Dec 30, 2018, 6:19 PM Dec 30, 2018, 6:17 PM

                                      @stephenw10

                                      Got it, editing the failsafe values seemed to take effect. Got PFsense loaded thanks to your ZFS auto install suggestion for UEFI. It was able to boot on all 3 SATA ports, no USB booting unfortunately, possibly needs UEFI as well.

                                      Now just the green light.

                                      Going from Atom Z525 to a 4160T. Should be able to make use of the 1GB connection I pay for now.

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                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                        last edited by Dec 30, 2018, 6:46 PM

                                        Nice. It would be nice to have the status LED come up red at boot but I've found no way to add SIO values to the bios like earlier BIOS types could.

                                        Steve

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                                          zanthos
                                          last edited by Jan 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

                                          Just returned from some testing with an Intel Xeon E3-1285L v3 3.1GHz ☺


                                          Installed pfSense this way:

                                          • attached the msata SSD to my notebook (Win 10) and set it to offline
                                          • created a new Hyper-V Gen 2 VM, unchecked secure boot and set to open-source VM
                                          • direct attached the ssd as the VM SCSI disk
                                          • installed pfSense from the ISO installer image (VGA) using ZFS Auto install
                                          • shut down the VM
                                          • detached the ssd and installed it to the M400 on SATA3
                                          • power on the M400
                                          • attach a network cable to igb1 (LAN) and to my computer
                                          • log in to the web interface (192.168...)
                                          • change console to Serial
                                          • added "hw.ixgbe.unsupported_sfp=1" to /boot/loader.conf (maybe this is not necessary???)

                                          ISP setup:

                                          • inserted a generic BiDi SFP module from fiberstore (SFP-GE-BX, 1310/1490)
                                          • created necessary VLAN and PPPoE connection

                                          Speedtest to my 1000/1000 ISP:
                                          Result is >900MBit up/down 👍
                                          Checked CPU using "top" command: >96% idle

                                          (No additional firewall rules, packages and filtering, just the factory settings)

                                          I think i like the Setup 😊

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