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    Should i cancel my fios gigabit plan|VPN speed only 200+mbps

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      epsense
      last edited by epsense

      I have gigabit plan from verizon fios if directly connect to pfsense router i get 900+ sppeed up/down. But when i connect VPN through pfsense i only get 200+mbps up/down. I have try many vpn service provider only ExpressVPN can handle 200+mbps.

      What's your suggestion?

      1. Don't use vpn on pfsense connect direct to isp but lost annomity and protection.

      2. Downgrade to 300mbps from verizon save some money and have good annomity and protection.:)

      Thank you

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        bmeeks
        last edited by bmeeks

        You will find a fairly marked difference of opinion here about VPNs. Some of us who have been doing IT Security stuff for years (more than a decade in several cases) believe VPNs are appropriate (or necessary, if you prefer) only for site-to-site networking tunnels such as to join remote offices to a corporate LAN or for secure remote access (for example, using a VPN to tunnel Windows RDP back into your LAN from a remote location).

        You also have a few folks who seem to be completely paranoid about privacy and annonymity, and they think a VPN is essential for casual web browsing.

        As you have already discovered, with a VPN you will sacrifice throughput compared to a straight direct connection. Additionally, you will add latency to your path. Finally, your throughput to the rest of the Internet is now dependent on three things: (1) your ISP's bandwidth to the web; (2) your VPN provider's bandwidth to the web; and (3) the horsepower in the firewall to encrypt and decrypt every packet coming and going over your WAN.

        In your specific case, it very well could be that your VPN speed is being limited by your choice of VPN provider. That provider may just not have fat enough Internet pipes to support the client base they have sold accounts to (i.e., they are over-subscribed for the infrastructure they have in place).

        My vote would be to keep the FIOS Gigabit service and ditch the VPN entirely.

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          epsense @bmeeks
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          @bmeeks said in Should i cancel my fios gigabit plan|VPN speed only 200+mbps:

          You will find a fairly marked difference of opinion he
          My vote would be to keep the FIOS Gigabit service and ditch the VPN entirely.

          Thank you for your suggestion, you’re right pfsense is good enough for security plus PC antivirus. And if I need to use vpn just install the app on OS much easier than installing on pfsense which is a pain in the butt for newbie like myself.

          As for searching for a VPN provider that can handle gigabit speed, currently there is none that can think of. Even try a lot of vpn provider all have 100+ mbps, only ExpressVPN have 200+ mbps.

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            One option here is to setup your own VPN end point in a VPS. You thyen control both ends so you can set the encryption type and ports used. Obviously the VPS host can see traffic coming in and out of it and it could be tied to the account. But it depends who you want to hide your traffic from. Useful to hide your traffic if you're on public wifi or similar though.
            But, yeah, what bmeeks said. You almost certainly don't want or need to be putting all your traffic over a VPN. IMO at least.

            Steve

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                bmeeks
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                Oh...and I would die for a symmetrical gigabit connection where I live... πŸ˜„ . I only have access to a quite asymmetrical 100 down/10 up service over a cable modem. But on the bright side, that does trump my original 1200 baud telephone modem I started my Internet experience with! Well, if you can call CompuServe and AOL "the Internet" ... πŸ˜€ .

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  Ha, yes I would love a 'problem' like a 200Mbps VPN link! 😁

                  Steve

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                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                    @epsense said in Should i cancel my fios gigabit plan|VPN speed only 200+mbps:

                    annomity and protection.

                    Yeah sure that is what they say on their website isn't it ;) Along with they do not log - so must be true - hehehehe

                    You know why there are so many vpn services? Because its easy money!! Nothing different then the snake oil salesman of yesteryear selling you cures for what ails you...

                    For a mere $X a month I have this "elixir" that will make you secure on the internet from all the bad guys out to get you ;) ehehhehehe rofl..

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                      JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator @johnpoz
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                      @johnpoz said in Should i cancel my fios gigabit plan|VPN speed only 200+mbps:

                      Yeah sure that is what they say on their website isn't it ;) Along with they do not log - so must be true - hehehehe

                      Not only that, but logging or not they have the potential to look in the complete traffic from your household or company. I don't know how that is better than trusting your ISP to do the same - it's simply shifting trust and adding latency and bandwith limitations (in most cases, some VPN cases are absolutely legit).

                      And on top of that, there are studies like https://epub.uni-regensburg.de/11919/ that 2009 (so 10 years ago) showed fingerprinting techniques that could identify single users of a VPN service to almost 95% accuracy (while testing against TOR showed only a success of ~5% for example). So hiding behind other servers/IPs alone isn't that good an idea ;)

                      I want some of that money-printing-thingy, too :D

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                        @jegr said in Should i cancel my fios gigabit plan|VPN speed only 200+mbps:

                        I want some of that money-printing-thingy, too :D

                        No problem: Rent a few cheap VPS and install OpenVPN on them, create a decent looking website with lot's of FUD and offer your service as the salvation there. Et voila you are your own VPN provider.

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                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by johnpoz

                          ^ yup pretty much anyone can join the vpn service provider band wagon.. Fire up a few vps in different countries and as stated fire up a decent looking website and verbiage.. Bam your Printing Money ;)

                          Sell of the info your getting handed to you on a silver platter by these "clients" of your and shazam your printing even more money..

                          Be it your moral compass will allow you to take the money of the fools your selling to is up to you. And you could run into some legal issues depending on what these "clients" might be trying to do.. And soon where your hosting might kick you for getting all their IPs banned, etc. etc.. ;) So when it comes down too its a bit more complicated.. But in a nutshell that is the tech requirements.

                          To your fingerprinting - up your IP is kind of minor thing these days.. New firefox is going to implement some sizing stuff that the tor browser been doing to try and remove one of the things used to fingerprint.

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                            JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator @Grimson
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                            @grimson said in Should i cancel my fios gigabit plan|VPN speed only 200+mbps:

                            @jegr said in Should i cancel my fios gigabit plan|VPN speed only 200+mbps:

                            I want some of that money-printing-thingy, too :D

                            No problem: Rent a few cheap VPS and install OpenVPN on them, create a decent looking website with lot's of FUD and offer your service as the salvation there. Et voila you are your own VPN provider.

                            OK should clearly have inserted that "sarcasm" or "irony" holding smiley there ;)

                            @johnpoz said in Should i cancel my fios gigabit plan|VPN speed only 200+mbps:

                            To your fingerprinting - up your IP is kind of minor thing these days.. New firefox is going to implement some sizing stuff that the tor browser been doing to try and remove one of the things used to fingerprint.

                            Aye, of course there are more countermeasures today. But even back in the '09s it was already shady to "trust" those services implicitly with all information. As everyone can research, there were quite a few companies selling "secure private VPNs" giving away user information afterwards or tracking things like website and app usage etc.

                            So when someone sees one of those "unbelievable offers" of a lifetime/10years/whatever long time VPN membership for only 99.99$ (or whatever) one should ask: is that really viable? Or are you simply buying snakeoil.

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