Netgate Discussion Forum
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Search
    • Register
    • Login

    NTP times jump abruptly

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General pfSense Questions
    16 Posts 3 Posters 1.3k Views
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • A
      AR15USR
      last edited by

      Wondering if this graph of the times is reasonable. If not, any ideas as to why this would happen?
      I haven't changed the NTP settings in ages fyi..

      Thanks

      alt text

      alt text


      2.6.0-RELEASE

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by

        Hmm, odd. What happened at that date? Did you upgrade maybe?

        Steve

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • A
          AR15USR
          last edited by

          Well I have been trying to remember anything specific and I can’t. It’s possible it was an upgrade. The auto backups and config backups don’t go back that far to tell by that either.


          2.6.0-RELEASE

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by

            Check the other monitoring graphs, they should go back that far. You might see a jump in the number or processes or states if it rebooted at that point.

            Steve

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • A
              AR15USR
              last edited by

              Hmm, nothing with that ype of jump either. I did add another VLAN a few weeks earlier than when the NTP jump happened. Not sure that that would cause this though..


              2.6.0-RELEASE

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                Does it remain at those levels if you restart the service? Or restart the firewall? Or set different servers even?

                Steve

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • A
                  AR15USR
                  last edited by

                  I'm experiementing with that now, will report back.

                  FYI I am seeing this in the NTP log, not sure if it matters or not:

                  Mar 20 13:16:12	ntpd	72425	kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x2041: Clock Unsynchronized
                  Mar 20 13:16:12	ntpd	72425	kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x2041: Clock Unsynchronized
                  

                  2.6.0-RELEASE

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    I see those at boot, they seem normal. I've never dug into those codes though.

                    Steve

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • A
                      AR15USR
                      last edited by

                      Well I change the nist time servers, disabled the VLAN I added back in Jan, restarted the ntpd service. Nothing seemed to make any difference, you can see the pattern over the past 24hrs (Istarted changing stuff at around 12:30 today)

                      alt text

                      I also see this in the log if it matters:

                      Mar 20 15:31:26	ntpd	52237	frequency error 500 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM
                      

                      2.6.0-RELEASE

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • T
                        tman222
                        last edited by tman222

                        Hi @AR15USR

                        Just a thought - but could this be an indication of a hardware problem with the firewall itself developing? Have a look at this link, especially 3.3.1.1:

                        http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-sw-clocks-quality.htm

                        Hope this helps.

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • A
                          AR15USR
                          last edited by

                          I suppose its a possibility. This is a Atom C2758 board thats been on constantly for several years. Maybe..


                          2.6.0-RELEASE

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • A
                            AR15USR
                            last edited by

                            Ok, if anyone is interested. Just decided to take a look at the graph again, look what recently happened:

                            alt text


                            2.6.0-RELEASE

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              Hmm, well that looks better. Weird, anything else logged at that point when the offset suddenly came down?

                              I myself was struggling with an ntp instance that would not ever sync because, it turned out, the system clock was too inaccurate. It's a VM. I eventually managed to get it working as expected by changing the kern.timecounter.hardware value.

                              Selection_601.png

                              Steve

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • T
                                tman222
                                last edited by

                                That's indeed quite interesting. Did anything change with the system since then (updates, reboots, etc.), or did this correct all on its own sort of randomly?

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • A
                                  AR15USR
                                  last edited by

                                  2 things I can recall: First, a package was recently updated, Snort. Second a device on my network had a system upgrade. I'm not quite sure on the timing of the second as it is controlled remotely. I'm tracking down the details on that...


                                  2.6.0-RELEASE

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • A
                                    AR15USR
                                    last edited by

                                    Ok was definitely not the device upgrade, that didn’t happen till the 29th..


                                    2.6.0-RELEASE

                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • First post
                                      Last post
                                    Copyright 2025 Rubicon Communications LLC (Netgate). All rights reserved.