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    (SOLVED) Snort detecting INDICATOR-COMPROMISE suspicious .null DNS query

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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
      last edited by johnpoz

      @tman904 said in Snort detecting INDICATOR-COMPROMISE suspicious .null dns query on my WAN:

      202.12.27.33

      Those are all roots..
      ;; QUESTION SECTION:
      ;33.27.12.202.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR

      ;; ANSWER SECTION:
      33.27.12.202.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.

      ;; ANSWER SECTION:
      17.148.36.192.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR i.root-servers.net.

      ;; ANSWER SECTION:
      129.14.0.193.in-addr.arpa. 21599 IN PTR k.root-servers.net.

      So yeah - when unbound on pfsense is asked for host.something.NULL as the tld, it would ask roots - hey roots who is the NS for this tld .null...

      You need to track down on your lan side network what is asking for whatever.NULL to see if legit or not... Could be billy bob user trying to access some p0rn site ;)

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        tman904
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        ok I'll start looking.

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
          last edited by johnpoz

          but those are never going to resolve unless you setup your DNS to understand how to talk to OpenNIC

          You can turn on full query logging in unbound, but has to be done in the custom options box

          server:
          log-queries: yes

          edit, example I just did a query for

          Apr 21 05:36:10 unbound 65356:0 info: 192.168.9.100 test.domain.null. A IN NXDOMAIN 0.013277 0 120

          So you can see that my pc at 192.168.9.100 asked for that .null domain. If you turn on full query logging, you should be able to figure out who is asking for it, and exactly what real quick.

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            tman904
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            quick tcpdump for udp port 53 shows odd things. The server is resolving stackoverflow.com and some yandex stuff zen.spamhaus.org

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
              last edited by johnpoz

              Those don't seem too odd to me... Those are very legit domains.

              See my edit above - you prob have easier time just turning on logging in unbound and then looking through the log for .null

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                tman904
                last edited by tman904

                I turned that on, but it isn't sending queries at the moment. I'll let it settle for a while and let you know. Thank you for the help btw.

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                • NogBadTheBadN
                  NogBadTheBad
                  last edited by NogBadTheBad

                  Do you run pfBlocker?

                  It could be some dubious hosts hitting your WAN interface and pfBlocker doing a lookup for the host.

                  Is the alert just in the WAN interface or on the WAN and DMZ.

                  Also have a poke about in the /var/log/snort directory, there may be a file that you can do a u2spew or u2boat command.

                  Andy

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                    last edited by johnpoz

                    And how would pfblocker know to look for something.null? It could maybe do a PTR for an IP..

                    Oh you mean in one of its block lists? Having a null tld in a block list could be very problematic, since there is no way to resolve those without setting up use of OpenNIC

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                      jdeloach @tman904
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                      @tman904 As @bmeeks has recommended several times in this forum, you should turn off monitoring WAN in Snort and instead run it on the internal interfaces such as LAN and in this case DMZ. This will make it easy to see which device on your network is causing these alerts by looking at your internal IP addresses. Since everything is blocked by default on pFsense, running Snort on the WAN just duplicates what pFsense already does.

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                        tman904
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                        NogBadTheBad
                        The alert is only on my WAN but sourced from the WAN's IP.

                        Johnpoz I turned log level up to 5 on the dns resolver, but I still havn't found anything.

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                        • NogBadTheBadN
                          NogBadTheBad @jdeloach
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                          @jdeloach said in Snort detecting INDICATOR-COMPROMISE suspicious .null dns query on my WAN:

                          @tman904 As @bmeeks has recommended several times in this forum, you should turn off monitoring WAN in Snort and instead run it on the internal interfaces such as LAN and in this case DMZ. This will make it easy to see which device on your network is causing these alerts by looking at your internal IP addresses. Since everything is blocked by default on pFsense, running Snort on the WAN just duplicates what pFsense already does.

                          @bmeeks also states that if you have open ports on the WAN interface to enable Snort on the WAN interface.

                          Andy

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                            NogBadTheBad @tman904
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                            @tman904 said in Snort detecting INDICATOR-COMPROMISE suspicious .null dns query on my WAN:

                            NogBadTheBad
                            The alert is only on my WAN but sourced from the WAN's IP.

                            Johnpoz I turned log level up to 5 on the dns resolver, but I still havn't found anything.

                            Is there anything in the Snort log directory?

                            Andy

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                              tman904
                              last edited by

                              I thought you want to run snort on WAN if you have open ports which I do.

                              Yes there is a directory for each interface. As well as an update log file. The gui did state the most recent update was successful.

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @tman904
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                                @tman904 said in Snort detecting INDICATOR-COMPROMISE suspicious .null dns query on my WAN:

                                Johnpoz I turned log level up to 5 on the dns resolver, but I still havn't found anything.

                                Doesn't actually log queries... You have to set the query as stated in the option box..

                                logqueries.png

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                                  tman904
                                  last edited by tman904

                                  at the moment I have two ssh connections to the pfsense and I'm running.
                                  tcpdump -ni em0 udp port 53 |grep .null -LAN
                                  tcpdump -ni em1 udp port 53 |grep .null -DMZ

                                  Hopefully that will grab it at some point.

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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                    That not going to catch anything.. Test it!!! Do a query with that in the fqdn..

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                                      tman904
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                                      -LAN and -DMZ aren't in the command.

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                                      • johnpozJ
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                        And again TEST it...

                                        where do you think in that tcpdump the info of the query would be listed? So how could you grep for it.

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                                          tman904
                                          last edited by tman904

                                          well can you explain that to me?

                                          There they are
                                          07:33:13.204333 IP 192.168.0.141.57062 > 192.168.0.2.53: 57715+ [1au] A? test.null. (38)
                                          07:33:13.241310 IP 192.168.0.141.57062 > 192.168.0.2.53: 57715+ A? test.null. (27)
                                          07:33:54.634610 IP 192.168.0.141.59863 > 4.2.2.2.53: 5400+ [1au] A? test.null. (50)

                                          guess I didn't need the -A

                                          This is what I used
                                          "tcpdump -ni em0 udp port 53 |grep .null"
                                          "tcpdump -ni em1 udp port 53 |grep .null"

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                                          • johnpozJ
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                            last edited by johnpoz

                                            Ok so now that you have validate your method can find an example - yeah lets see if you find anything at the time you see the snort log.

                                            When I try that grep doesn't find my test

                                            But without grep I see it
                                            [2.4.4-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: tcpdump -ni igb0 udp port 53
                                            tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
                                            listening on igb0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 262144 bytes
                                            06:39:44.111865 IP 192.168.9.100.61488 > 192.168.9.253.53: 11023+ [1au] A? test.domain.null. (57)

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