Netgate Discussion Forum
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Search
    • Register
    • Login

    Port forwarding IP cams, is it that bad?

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved NAT
    19 Posts 6 Posters 1.2k Views
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • KOMK
      KOM @pfrickroll
      last edited by

      @pfrickroll said in Port forwarding IP cams, is it that bad?:

      our Sonicwalls support only 20 VPNs

      Boo!!!!

      pfrickrollP 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • pfrickrollP
        pfrickroll @KOM
        last edited by

        @KOM said in Port forwarding IP cams, is it that bad?:

        @pfrickroll said in Port forwarding IP cams, is it that bad?:

        our Sonicwalls support only 20 VPNs

        Boo!!!!

        Yea, the company doesn't plan their future very well and I had to take over from previous guy with my helpdesk experience.

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • RicoR
          Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
          last edited by

          In the EU this kind of traffic uncrypted via Internet is not be possible without the risk of serious penalties. ☺

          -Rico

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • jimpJ
            jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
            last edited by

            IIRC anything into/out of medical facilities like that needs encrypted. There could be potential privacy violations if that video stream were intercepted and faces/names/etc were visible. I haven't read through HIPAA in years though so that may not be specifically called out, but I wouldn't take my chances on that.

            Even if it weren't medical, though, I don't trust cameras unencrypted over the Internet. Even if the source is locked down/password protected. It's not worth the risk.

            Remember: Upvote with the 👍 button for any user/post you find to be helpful, informative, or deserving of recognition!

            Need help fast? Netgate Global Support!

            Do not Chat/PM for help!

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • RicoR
              Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
              last edited by

              Rule of thumb: You want any traffic leaving your building encrypted. ☺

              -Rico

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @pfrickroll
                last edited by

                @pfrickroll said in Port forwarding IP cams, is it that bad?:

                Its a camera that records audio/video of patients interacting at the front desk

                Your going to send patients video streams across the public internet unencrypted? Yeah I would get ready for your lawsuit as soon as someone that had a buddy that is a lawyer or someone that has too much time on their hands finds out about it and thinks they can make a buck..

                There is is one thing if you don't care about video of watching your cat walk around the house being in the clear or anyone else can view that... But when your in your building, and have video of "customers" giving out info like their names and place of residence and any other personal info that might come up in a conversation with checking in, etc.

                You better hope such stream or recording is in accordance with all and any appropriate regulations and or laws in your area.

                An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.7.2, 24.11

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • H
                  HansSolo
                  last edited by

                  This has me a bit curious......

                  The only time this video would become "vulnerable" to prying eyes is whenever it is viewed over the Internet or through the air via WiFi.

                  Don't most (if not all) applications used to view video remotely already encrypt the connection using SSL (https) ?

                  Couldn't the video be assumed "safe" from prying eyes as long as in the case of accessing the video stream via the Internet the connection was via SSL?

                  I find it hard to believe all these DVR manufacturers would not address this security (and perhaps legal) issue right from the design boards.

                  If not, there are millions and millions of cameras in private and public locations recording what could be construed as sensitive information that is being sent elsewhere via the Internet every second of every day.

                  Don't most modern DVR's and video cameras have encryption capabilities?

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • KOMK
                    KOM
                    last edited by

                    @HansSolo said in Port forwarding IP cams, is it that bad?:

                    Don't most (if not all) applications used to view video remotely already encrypt the connection using SSL (https) ?

                    I wouldn't make that assumption. Unless they advertise it as such, I would bet they're aren't using any encryption at all.

                    And yes, there are tons of live video sources that have no idea they're streaming to the world on an unsecured camera.

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      @HansSolo said in Port forwarding IP cams, is it that bad?:

                      If not, there are millions and millions of cameras in private and public locations recording what could be construed as sensitive information that is being sent elsewhere via the Internet every second of every day.

                      Yup exactly!!

                      There are also millions and millions of that that firmware is utter crap and exploits out the ying yang, etc..

                      If your camera doesn't clearly state its being encrypted - then most likely its NOT... And even if was - you believe that is up to specs for whatever HIPPA laws or other regulations there might be for sending patient info across the public net.

                      An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                      If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                      Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                      SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.7.2, 24.11

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • jimpJ
                        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                        last edited by

                        HTTPS or not, if the port is exposed and the stack is weak, it can be accessed remotely by attackers.

                        Doesn't matter if you think you are not worth finding, scanners will find you.

                        https://www.shodan.io/explore/tag/webcam

                        Remember: Upvote with the 👍 button for any user/post you find to be helpful, informative, or deserving of recognition!

                        Need help fast? Netgate Global Support!

                        Do not Chat/PM for help!

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • First post
                          Last post
                        Copyright 2025 Rubicon Communications LLC (Netgate). All rights reserved.