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    • Z Offline
      Zermus
      last edited by

      Here you go.
      pfsense-crash.txt

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      • kiokomanK Offline
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        do you have snort + barnyar2 as inline mode ? it seems to me a network card issue, Realtek RTL8111H could be the culprit

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          Moved all posts here. Please do not cross post the same topic to multiple categories.

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            Zermus
            last edited by Zermus

            My bad Derelict, I meant to delete that other one in General but got distracted.

            I used to have barnyard configured on old hardware but I have it disabled now. I transferred the config over.

            The Realtek card is not in use for network traffic. I could try to disable that in the bios. I've had issues with Realtek cards in pfsense before and that usually just crashes the NIC driver, not the whole server. I think this is more of a FreeBSD kernel/cpu/chipset thing based on the crash report. Just my 2 cents though.

            There is this bug, but it was supposed to be fixed in FreeBSD 10.1 - https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/fatal-trap-12-page-fault-while-in-kernel-mode-on-new-server-running-freebsd-10-1-release-p10.51737/

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            • stephenw10S Online
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by stephenw10

              Nope that bug is completely different. The key part is the backtrace here:

              db:0:kdb.enter.default>  show pcpu
              cpuid        = 0
              dynamic pcpu = 0xc22380
              curthread    = 0xfffff8000632d620: pid 12 "irq271: em0:rx0"
              curpcb       = 0xfffffe03d58a1b80
              fpcurthread  = none
              idlethread   = 0xfffff80005f41000: tid 100003 "idle: cpu0"
              curpmap      = 0xffffffff82b85998
              tssp         = 0xffffffff82bb6810
              commontssp   = 0xffffffff82bb6810
              rsp0         = 0xfffffe03d58a1b80
              gs32p        = 0xffffffff82bbd068
              ldt          = 0xffffffff82bbd0a8
              tss          = 0xffffffff82bbd098
              db:0:kdb.enter.default>  bt
              Tracing pid 12 tid 100076 td 0xfffff8000632d620
              bcmp() at bcmp+0xb/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1200
              pf_find_state() at pf_find_state+0xad/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1240
              pf_test_state_udp() at pf_test_state_udp+0x11b/frame 0xfffffe03d58a12c0
              pf_test() at pf_test+0x1b64/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1500
              pf_check_out() at pf_check_out+0x1d/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1520
              pfil_run_hooks() at pfil_run_hooks+0x90/frame 0xfffffe03d58a15b0
              ip_output() at ip_output+0xb1d/frame 0xfffffe03d58a16e0
              ip_forward() at ip_forward+0x2b5/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1780
              ip_input() at ip_input+0x72a/frame 0xfffffe03d58a17e0
              netisr_dispatch_src() at netisr_dispatch_src+0xa8/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1830
              ether_demux() at ether_demux+0x173/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1860
              ether_nh_input() at ether_nh_input+0x32b/frame 0xfffffe03d58a18c0
              netisr_dispatch_src() at netisr_dispatch_src+0xa8/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1910
              ether_input() at ether_input+0x26/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1930
              if_input() at if_input+0xa/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1940
              em_rxeof() at em_rxeof+0x2c0/frame 0xfffffe03d58a19b0
              em_msix_rx() at em_msix_rx+0x34/frame 0xfffffe03d58a19e0
              intr_event_execute_handlers() at intr_event_execute_handlers+0xe9/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1a20
              ithread_loop() at ithread_loop+0xe7/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1a70
              fork_exit() at fork_exit+0x83/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1ab0
              fork_trampoline() at fork_trampoline+0xe/frame 0xfffffe03d58a1ab0
              --- trap 0, rip = 0, rsp = 0, rbp = 0 ---
              db:0:kdb.enter.default>  ps
              

              But this is not good:
              [zone: pf frag entries] PF frag entries limit reached
              You could increase the frags limit in System > Advanced > Firewall & NAT
              But really you are hitting that because of an unusually high number of fragmented packets you should try to find why that's happening and fix it.

              Steve

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                Zermus
                last edited by Zermus

                Ahh ok, I remember jacking up the fragments on my old hardware and that solved it then. I bet that's what it is. I guess the advanced stuff like that doesn't get transferred over in the config dumps when you move it to new hardware.

                I know what the fragments are. There is an NTP pool node behind this pfSense and it sees some heavy UDP connections, among other things...

                Thanks for tracking that down!

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                  Zermus
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                  Ok I got another crash today, and today it's not showing the pf frag entries limit reached, but same kernel crash message.

                  MBUs set to a million
                  Frag packets set to 25,000.

                  pfsense-crash.txt

                  Any other ideas?

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                    Zermus @Zermus
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                    For kicks I've disabled MSI-X and went to MSI interrupts. We'll see if that has any effect.

                    /boot/loader.conf.local

                    hw.pci.enable_msix=0
                    
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                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                      Hmm, that's different crash. Still in the network stack though:

                      db:0:kdb.enter.default>  show pcpu
                      cpuid        = 1
                      dynamic pcpu = 0xfffffe03df1c3380
                      curthread    = 0xfffff8001d50e620: pid 20 "pf purge"
                      curpcb       = 0xfffffe03d59d2b80
                      fpcurthread  = none
                      idlethread   = 0xfffff80005f40620: tid 100004 "idle: cpu1"
                      curpmap      = 0xffffffff82b85998
                      tssp         = 0xffffffff82bb6878
                      commontssp   = 0xffffffff82bb6878
                      rsp0         = 0xfffffe03d59d2b80
                      gs32p        = 0xffffffff82bbd0d0
                      ldt          = 0xffffffff82bbd110
                      tss          = 0xffffffff82bbd100
                      db:0:kdb.enter.default>  bt
                      Tracing pid 20 tid 100130 td 0xfffff8001d50e620
                      __mtx_lock_sleep() at __mtx_lock_sleep+0xcd/frame 0xfffffe03d59d2990
                      pf_detach_state() at pf_detach_state+0x311/frame 0xfffffe03d59d29c0
                      pf_unlink_state() at pf_unlink_state+0x1ee/frame 0xfffffe03d59d29f0
                      pf_purge_expired_states() at pf_purge_expired_states+0x6d/frame 0xfffffe03d59d2a40
                      pf_purge_thread() at pf_purge_thread+0x71/frame 0xfffffe03d59d2a70
                      fork_exit() at fork_exit+0x83/frame 0xfffffe03d59d2ab0
                      fork_trampoline() at fork_trampoline+0xe/frame 0xfffffe03d59d2ab0
                      --- trap 0, rip = 0, rsp = 0, rbp = 0 ---
                      db:0:kdb.enter.default>  ps
                      

                      Nothing in the message buffer to help.....

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                      • Z Offline
                        Zermus
                        last edited by

                        Yeah, I've been reading about how Intel cards suck with MSI-X, so hopefully that's what it is. I guess time will tell.

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                        • stephenw10S Online
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          That has not been my experience. Especially with em(4) which is very mature at this point.

                          Steve

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                            Zermus @stephenw10
                            last edited by Zermus

                            @stephenw10

                            https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000017506/network-and-i-o.html

                            Maybe it's the amount of packets I'm pushing through my Gigabit Intel WAN? I'm pushing it pretty hard. 12 hours on MSI so far and no crashes and no degraded throughput or anything. Probably a slight increase on CPU, barely 3% if that.

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                              Zermus
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                              Well, 1 Day 11 Hours 08 Minutes 36 Seconds uptime since going to MSI. Knocks on wood

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                                tman222 @Zermus
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                                @Zermus

                                This surprises me as well after reading through this thread - Intel cards are generally top tier and perform very well with pfSense. What specific Intel card / chipset are you using?

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                                  Zermus @tman222
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                                  @tman222

                                  WAN - Intel Gigabit CT PCI-E Network Adapter EXPI9301CTBLK
                                  LAN - Intel X520-DA2 (The real Intel, not the 10GTek knock off, Multiple VLANs using only one port)

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                                    tman222 @Zermus
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                                    @Zermus said in Ryzen 3 2200G randomly crashing:

                                    @tman222

                                    WAN - Intel Gigabit CT PCI-E Network Adapter EXPI9301CTBLK
                                    LAN - Intel X520-DA2 (The real Intel, not the 10GTek knock off, Multiple VLANs using only one port)

                                    Which one of those two was / is giving you trouble? Looking at data sheets and product briefs, both of those cards support MSI-X. Also, just to doublecheck, are you running pfSense on bare metal or inside a VM? Have you tried adjusting any of other tunables on the cards or is everything basically running with stock settings?

                                    Come to think of it now, I did have one EXPI9301CTBLK adapter seemingly go bad on me a couple years back. Was running in a Windows desktop machine though. For some reason one day it stopped passing gigabit speeds and nothing I did would fix it (reinstall, change cables, etc.). Replaced with another card and all was well.

                                    I think the chipset in the Intel CT adapter is targeted more towards desktop/laptop applications. If you're interested in replacing it with something a bit higher end, these HP Intel i210 based cards should work well, are fairly inexpensive, and use the igb driver in FreeBSD:

                                    https://www.amazon.com/Intel-I210-T1-Network-Adapter-E0X95AA/dp/B00ESFF2JC/
                                    https://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/oas/product-detail.html?oid=5383389

                                    Hope this helps.

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                                      Zermus
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                                      Hmm, I'll try to swap out the Intel CT with the I210. The weird part is that the system was stable on older hardware with the same NICs, the system was based on an AMD A8-7600 Kavari (Steamroller). Unfortunately the motherboard started flaking out on that system though, which lead to the Ryzen rebuild. Right now with MSI interrupts the system seems stable for about 2 to 3 days but now experiences hard crashes where I get no crash reports.

                                      Extended 12 hour memtest run came up with no errors, so I'm fairly certain hardware is good in this case. I'm starting to wonder if it's just Ryzen and FreeBSD bugs creeping up that I'm hitting.

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                                        tman222 @Zermus
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                                        @Zermus said in Ryzen 3 2200G randomly crashing:

                                        Hmm, I'll try to swap out the Intel CT with the I210. The weird part is that the system was stable on older hardware with the same NICs, the system was based on an AMD A8-7600 Kavari (Steamroller). Unfortunately the motherboard started flaking out on that system though, which lead to the Ryzen rebuild. Right now with MSI interrupts the system seems stable for about 2 to 3 days but now experiences hard crashes where I get no crash reports.

                                        Extended 12 hour memtest run came up with no errors, so I'm fairly certain hardware is good in this case. I'm starting to wonder if it's just Ryzen and FreeBSD bugs creeping up that I'm hitting.

                                        That's a good point - I wonder if support / stability will improve with FreeBSD 12.0 (which pfSense 2.5 will use).

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                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                          Try a snapshot and see if it's still crashing in 2.4.4. I have several boxes running 2.5 snaps here without issue currently. Though they are still just code snapshots so things might break.

                                          Steve

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                                            Zermus
                                            last edited by Zermus

                                            So I think I've fixed this by trial and error network tuning. I might make a separate thread for fine tuning NTP node or heavy UDP traffic behind pfSense. I'm using an Intel I210 (igb driver) as my WAN (Referred to me as a previous fix in this thread, but I could probably have kept the Gigabit CT in) and 1 port on an Intel X520-DA2 (ix driver) as my LAN. So far with this setup I've been running 3 days stable. I'll update with any further tuning updates if the need arises.

                                            Under System -> Advanced -> Networking I have:

                                            Hardware Checksum Offloading unchecked. (Enabled)
                                            Hardware TCP Segmentation Offloading checked. (Disabled)
                                            Hardware Large Receive Offloading checked. (Disabled)

                                            kern.ipc.nmbclusters="1000000"
                                            kern.ipc.nmbjumbop="524288"
                                            hw.igb.max_interrupt_rate="32000"
                                            hw.ix.max_interrupt_rate="32000"
                                            net.isr.maxthreads="-1"
                                            net.isr.bindthreads="1"
                                            net.pf.source_nodes_hashsize="1048576"
                                            

                                            NOTE: hw.igb and hw.ix are specific to my NIC drivers, so you might have to tune these to your own NIC hardware.

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