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    • R
      Rod-It
      last edited by

      Thank you @johnpoz

      That confirms what I thought, that it is working, however, even having redirected the traffic directly to exchange I get the same results.

      I know the ports are open on the internal side, and I see the port as open externally, but content is never collected and returned.

      I dont know how to fix this quirk, hence my post.

      I have rebooted both the IIS proxy and exchange, this does not help. I have not rebooted the PfSense box, I was hoping to fix it without that, but I guess if we believe this would help I can bounce it. It's a VM and should only take moments - just an annoyance to do so.

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      • KOMK
        KOM
        last edited by KOM

        Here is the initial handshake and reply from my test with a web server listening on tcp/80:

        VirtualBox_Ubuntu MATE 1_17_08_2019_11_19_34.png

        After the initial handshake, the payloads should be non-zero. As John said, the NAT itself is working so your problem must be elsewhere. Do you have any security thingies that might have been updated and are now getting in the way? Antivirus or antimalware apps, etc?

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
          last edited by

          Best thing to do would be to open your sniff in say wireshark so you can actually see what is getting sent back, or up the verbosity of the sniff. so you can see if your seeing syn, and then syn,ack back or just RST.

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          • kiokomanK
            kiokoman LAYER 8
            last edited by

            indeed as i say you must have something on 192.168.1.35 or whatever is your web server ip blocking it/not accepting it for some reason
            Immagine.jpg
            set this option and do a capture again

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            • R
              Rod-It
              last edited by

              I have nothing auto-updating, I have checked and rebooted most systems except PF at this point.

              I do see 'some' logs in IIS about activesync, but nothing else gets back to the client or the web-browser in terms of webmail.

              I predict it will be something silly and/or trivial, but it's not clearly obvious at this point.

              I do really appreciate your help, but I dont understand wireshark or have it installed at this point.

              Learning more about networking generically is on my list of to-do.

              Just re-running that packet capture now...

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              • R
                Rod-It
                last edited by

                Does this help anyone?

                16:27:43.348163 IP (tos 0x28, ttl 67, id 58574, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 40)
                138.201.87.102.42429 > 192.168.1.35.443: Flags [S], cksum 0xae6a (correct), seq 3568136006, win 29200, length 0
                16:27:43.348722 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 14187, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 44)
                192.168.1.35.443 > 138.201.87.102.42429: Flags [S.], cksum 0x7a39 (correct), seq 1036996916, ack 3568136007, win 65392, options [mss 1460], length 0
                16:27:43.388858 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 54, id 43753, offset 0, flags [none], proto TCP (6), length 40)
                138.201.87.102.42429 > 192.168.1.35.443: Flags [R], cksum 0xe077 (correct), seq 3568136007, win 16384, length 0
                16:27:44.407074 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 14188, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 44)
                192.168.1.35.443 > 138.201.87.102.34989: Flags [S.], cksum 0x3ef9 (correct), seq 564559956, ack 585524840, win 65392, options [mss 1460], length 0
                16:27:44.445433 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 55, id 51013, offset 0, flags [none], proto TCP (6), length 40)
                138.201.87.102.34989 > 192.168.1.35.443: Flags [R], cksum 0xb82e (correct), seq 585524840, win 16384, length 0
                16:27:45.025532 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 1751, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 44)

                I will re-re-boot my guests (email ones)

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  @Rod-It said in Ports, rules, NAT:

                  138.201.87.102.34989 > 192.168.1.35.443: Flags [R],

                  Well that looks like the 138.x box sent a RST to the web server.

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                  • kiokomanK
                    kiokoman LAYER 8
                    last edited by

                    @Rod-It said in Ports, rules, NAT:

                    16:27:43.348163 IP (tos 0x28, ttl 67, id 58574, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 40)
                    138.201.87.102.42429 > 192.168.1.35.443: Flags [S], cksum 0xae6a (correct), seq 3568136006, win 29200, length 0
                    16:27:43.348722 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 14187, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 44)
                    192.168.1.35.443 > 138.201.87.102.42429: Flags [S.], cksum 0x7a39 (correct), seq 1036996916, ack 3568136007, win 65392, options [mss 1460], length 0
                    16:27:43.388858 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 54, id 43753, offset 0, flags [none], proto TCP (6), length 40)
                    138.201.87.102.42429 > 192.168.1.35.443: Flags [R], cksum 0xe077 (correct), seq 3568136007, win 16384, length 0

                    S (SYN), F (FIN), P (PUSH), R (RST), U (URG), W (ECN CWR), E (ECN-Echo) or . (ACK)

                    Flags [R] -> reset

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      So looks to me the client sent syn S and then server sent back syn,ack S.

                      But then the client says no thanks with a R

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                      • R
                        Rod-It
                        last edited by

                        Sorry, I am not a network person.

                        Are we saying this is backend server dropping/rejecting or that things look ok here?

                        Both IIS box and Exchange will reboot shortly for completeness.

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                        • R
                          Rod-It
                          last edited by

                          Apologies, didn't see your latter reply

                          Ok so it's IIS still saying it's not happy - at least I have a focus area.

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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                            last edited by

                            Im not sure who the 138.x box is, but he is the client as he sends the syn... The server at 192.x box answers with syn,ack - this is normal start of a conversation.. But then the 138.x box sends R (RST) which is basically a F Off sort of thing..

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                            • KOMK
                              KOM
                              last edited by

                              Strange that the client is sending the reset. There are very limited circumstances for that to happen, and I don't see any that I know of applying here.

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                              • R
                                Rod-It
                                last edited by

                                Just to be clear, this happens if I send the NAT to the IIS relay OR the Exchange box directly.

                                This does NOT affect clients on the LAN or any other VLAN, only requests that come in through the PfSense box.

                                The IIS box has it's firewall disabled for a moment, but this should not be it as internal clients work.

                                Both IIS and Exchange have been rebooted.

                                While I want to rule out AV because internal clients are working, I am happy to remove/disable it for now.

                                As an FYI - this is my home lab, not a production system so this is not massively critical, but a PITA nonetheless.

                                Something else that may or may not be relevant (I dont think it is, but i'l include it anyway).

                                About 2 days ago (probably some 6-8 hours before this started) I moved my domains DNS from DynDNS to CloudFlare - I have tried with and without proxied DNS, neither matter, however because the port shows as open on my public IP directly, I dont believe this to be related, though I am more than happy to be proven wrong.

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                                • KOMK
                                  KOM
                                  last edited by

                                  If you have time, I'd love to see one more test run with the Level of Detail set to high so I can see the packet timestamp values.

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                                  • R
                                    Rod-It
                                    last edited by

                                    17:16:46.428834 IP 192.168.1.35.443 > 138.201.87.102.48424: tcp 0
                                    17:16:46.469427 IP 138.201.87.102.48424 > 192.168.1.35.443: tcp 0
                                    17:16:46.522427 IP 192.168.1.35.443 > 138.201.87.102.61203: tcp 0
                                    17:16:47.487447 IP 192.168.1.35.443 > 138.201.87.102.61529: tcp 0
                                    17:16:47.886778 IP 192.168.1.35.443 > 138.201.87.102.61068: tcp 0
                                    17:16:48.538018 IP 95.216.36.80.35970 > 192.168.1.35.443: tcp 0
                                    17:16:48.538399 IP 192.168.1.35.443 > 95.216.36.80.35970: tcp 0
                                    17:16:48.642150 IP 82.132.247.36.52308 > 192.168.1.35.443: tcp 55
                                    17:16:48.645073 IP 192.168.1.35.443 > 82.132.247.36.52308: tcp 109
                                    17:16:48.649273 IP 82.132.247.36.52308 > 192.168.1.35.443: tcp 46

                                    Guys - thank you for the help, really, it means a lot to know there are people out there willing to spend their weekends trying to help others.

                                    I do believe 'CloudFlare' are to blame, I removed all of the DNS proxy connections once more and it's working again.

                                    Does the above negate you wanting a further run?

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                                    • kiokomanK
                                      kiokoman LAYER 8
                                      last edited by

                                      if it is working for you now, i'm happy enought

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                                      • KOMK
                                        KOM
                                        last edited by KOM

                                        If you're satisfied that it's working and you've found the cause then no, you don't need to do that other test run.

                                        I'm still curious as to what was really going on. I'm not sure how a DNS proxy issue would cause your client to send a RST. Where were these DNS proxy connections configured? Via some Cloudflare GUI or is this something you're doing on the pfSense box?

                                        If this was indeed a remote issue then that would explain why it was working fine until one day when it wasn't.

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                                        • R
                                          Rod-It
                                          last edited by

                                          You realise I will most likely be sticking around finding other guides and helping where I can, and no doubt I will have more questions.

                                          So far though I really do like PfSense.

                                          I am doing more with it within 2 months than I ever thought I would do with any networking product, I even sold my router - which by the way I really liked too (Netgear Nighthawk R7000)

                                          CloudFlare can proxy DNS requests, so assuming my website (or in this case, webmail) points to 81.x.x.x, CloudFlare makes it their own IP, so it looks like 101.x.x.x, while my IP had the ports open and CloudFlare did too, it didnt seem to be relaying HTTPS connections to me, but instead to itself - I found an article on their site about this, something to do with how SSL works with their certificates - this would also explain why I was not seeing the traffic hit the box - which by the way I now see when someone connects to 443.

                                          Phew... nightmare.

                                          Apologies for the wild chase there, but just having someone else there helped me to find the issue.

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                                          • KOMK
                                            KOM
                                            last edited by

                                            Glad we could help.

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