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      mrsunfire @johnpoz
      last edited by

      @johnpoz 1000 is very long. Usualle my sites load instant. I have around 7 ms to google.de (Germany).

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by johnpoz

        @mrsunfire said in DNS Resolver not caching correct?:

        I have around 7 ms to google.de (Germany).

        The amount of time to ping site has ZERO to do with how fast it loads in your browser -- sorry but site pull up in your browser is not freaking loading in .007 seconds..

        Keep in mind that once I site is loaded once - much of it could be cached by your browser as well, etc.

        1000 ms to RESOLVE something where the authoritative ns for that domain could be on the other side of the planet is not a LONG time ;)

        Your in DE? That is a long way from Utah in the US which is where those NS seem to be.. And that is just those.. that is not the others in the chain..

        Do you actually understand how something is resolved?

        Even if you had .com NS cached, you still had to go ask them... And how far away are they from you for the NS for whatever.com etc. Then you had to go ask the NS for whatever.com for www.whatever.com, which is then a cname for whatever.com so you then had to do another query, etc. Which if your in DE, and the NS are in Utah.. that going to be a tad higher than 7ms away ;)

        Do a dig +trace for that whatever.com to see how you get to it, and how fast the authoritative NS can answer you, etc.

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          mrsunfire
          last edited by mrsunfire

          Yes it gets more clear for me now, thanks.

          Heres the traceroute:

          1  37.49.100.1  6.696 ms  6.047 ms  6.332 ms
           2  172.30.22.97  6.166 ms  6.018 ms  6.383 ms
           3  84.116.191.221  8.367 ms  9.098 ms  8.967 ms
           4  84.116.130.102  7.959 ms  7.905 ms  7.490 ms
           5  129.250.9.29  8.914 ms  8.023 ms  8.070 ms
           6  129.250.4.16  8.048 ms  8.483 ms  8.894 ms
           7  129.250.4.96  94.929 ms  94.882 ms  96.235 ms
           8  129.250.3.189  160.419 ms  160.473 ms  164.702 ms
           9  129.250.3.238  160.700 ms  160.501 ms  160.755 ms
          10  129.250.2.16  161.365 ms  160.543 ms  160.335 ms
          11  129.250.198.182  158.326 ms  158.105 ms  158.365 ms
          12  162.144.240.163  182.527 ms  182.299 ms  182.470 ms
          13  162.144.240.127  182.288 ms  182.736 ms  183.292 ms
          14  198.57.151.250  158.162 ms  159.572 ms  158.137 ms
          

          Some names are resolved with 0ms now on morning, others I used yesterday not. Why? Does unbound cached more used names longer?

          Why stopped unbound this night? Has it something to do with pfblockerNG-devel?

          Aug 31 00:00:16	unbound	5433:0	info: start of service (unbound 1.9.1).
          Aug 31 00:00:16	unbound	5433:0	notice: init module 1: iterator
          Aug 31 00:00:16	unbound	5433:0	notice: init module 0: validator
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	notice: Restart of unbound 1.9.1.
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.524288 1.000000 4
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.262144 0.524288 7
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.131072 0.262144 54
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.065536 0.131072 98
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.032768 0.065536 68
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.016384 0.032768 43
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.008192 0.016384 28
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.004096 0.008192 2
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000000 0.000001 42
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: lower(secs) upper(secs) recursions
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: [25%]=0.0219088 median[50%]=0.0607172 [75%]=0.116694
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: histogram of recursion processing times
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: average recursion processing time 0.082558 sec
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: server stats for thread 3: requestlist max 19 avg 0.542125 exceeded 0 jostled 0
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: server stats for thread 3: 1239 queries, 893 answers from cache, 346 recursions, 473 prefetch, 0 rejected by ip ratelimiting
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 2.000000 4.000000 2
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 1.000000 2.000000 4
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.524288 1.000000 9
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.262144 0.524288 45
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.131072 0.262144 236
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.065536 0.131072 366
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.032768 0.065536 363
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.016384 0.032768 248
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.008192 0.016384 100
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.004096 0.008192 10
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.002048 0.004096 3
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.001024 0.002048 3
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000512 0.001024 2
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000256 0.000512 2
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000000 0.000001 152
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: lower(secs) upper(secs) recursions
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: [25%]=0.0239319 median[50%]=0.0555612 [75%]=0.114912
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: histogram of recursion processing times
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: average recursion processing time 0.086276 sec
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: server stats for thread 2: requestlist max 28 avg 1.21664 exceeded 0 jostled 0
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: server stats for thread 2: 4486 queries, 2941 answers from cache, 1545 recursions, 1580 prefetch, 0 rejected by ip ratelimiting
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 1.000000 2.000000 1
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.524288 1.000000 12
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.262144 0.524288 27
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.131072 0.262144 75
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.065536 0.131072 213
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.032768 0.065536 180
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.016384 0.032768 124
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.008192 0.016384 60
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.004096 0.008192 3
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.002048 0.004096 1
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000512 0.001024 1
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000000 0.000001 71
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: lower(secs) upper(secs) recursions
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: [25%]=0.0237832 median[50%]=0.0553415 [75%]=0.107381
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: histogram of recursion processing times
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: average recursion processing time 0.082412 sec
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: server stats for thread 1: requestlist max 23 avg 0.68534 exceeded 0 jostled 0
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: server stats for thread 1: 2418 queries, 1650 answers from cache, 768 recursions, 910 prefetch, 0 rejected by ip ratelimiting
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 2.000000 4.000000 2
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 1.000000 2.000000 5
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.524288 1.000000 11
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.262144 0.524288 37
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.131072 0.262144 288
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.065536 0.131072 409
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.032768 0.065536 398
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.016384 0.032768 258
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.008192 0.016384 133
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.004096 0.008192 9
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.002048 0.004096 7
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.001024 0.002048 2
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000512 0.001024 3
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000256 0.000512 3
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000128 0.000256 1
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: 0.000000 0.000001 199
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: lower(secs) upper(secs) recursions
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: [25%]=0.0217342 median[50%]=0.0547917 [75%]=0.115329
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: histogram of recursion processing times
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: average recursion processing time 0.084765 sec
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: server stats for thread 0: requestlist max 23 avg 1.41447 exceeded 0 jostled 0
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: server stats for thread 0: 5246 queries, 3481 answers from cache, 1765 recursions, 1842 prefetch, 0 rejected by ip ratelimiting
          Aug 31 00:00:15	unbound	5433:0	info: service stopped (unbound 1.9.1).
          

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by johnpoz

            not a traceroute a dig +trace

            $ dig www.whatever.com +trace
            
            ; <<>> DiG 9.14.4 <<>> www.whatever.com +trace
            ;; global options: +cmd
            .                       27190   IN      NS      h.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      k.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      d.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      l.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      c.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      a.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      m.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      f.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      e.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      j.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      i.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      g.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      NS      b.root-servers.net.
            .                       27190   IN      RRSIG   NS 8 0 518400 20190912170000 20190830160000 59944 . DtQjgY6hTjQoBx95E2qR9YHr/VIiwFqkjYjvBuX21XlBEYjlH3Rq0+sF 0XkyzUwp6xq2SXW3ZPgK0SHf2/hv+3fx0sricuQ5mAhvlw9yVVIwQTq5 dr2B0hfs6tfZNiX+CDNMK6DzjEAlX34gnVZmtSuv5KG87PG9ztBoygPd AxobqaiBksHS8DsCNpVwRunZCZ0Wd59LlWl72etkTft779F8YxvIa9B4 MOf497UcW+Wk38utZ4LRtJL0nTk5BeP0jf6oPi95Sp80SgkOGlOAkwvM c10ZiG5NrH0CtBJYQtOpAG4SamwxhxzK1TElq2SZY7lLOTtrFCQYNK53 0Y5yVA==
            ;; Received 525 bytes from 192.168.3.10#53(192.168.3.10) in 3 ms
            
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      m.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      c.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      e.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      a.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      d.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      b.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      g.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      f.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      k.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      j.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      l.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      i.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    172800  IN      NS      h.gtld-servers.net.
            com.                    86400   IN      DS      30909 8 2 E2D3C916F6DEEAC73294E8268FB5885044A833FC5459588F4A9184CF C41A5766
            com.                    86400   IN      RRSIG   DS 8 1 86400 20190913050000 20190831040000 59944 . ZmaE6S3yTVnYVXNywBnPO1hD4iHQ/DaBiMDi2+mRC88NXTH1Qrsnflnm fIInk6AnQAtl9uS3LM+qXinwCUMrpVGupSi9FQ3QneZgnilRzhyuloxM xJi/22+WulaBE7UzDZJrpA572P3dWBHl296vw3oCoF8OENW/D2Z16gWw xOBJD57Jocnhghm9ONXoE60WPWSOQD9xytzc5vl1oZIRYpmcYsNe1wsq NYm+WUSuM1+AaG0tyjdbwxR23nkRowRxTJyARkc4wcaIEQaNXyEm7Iad ToAyiKVxpCGs2B7JKHuVL9sXsNYo/+awj5yGXuWz1tLBk3teXKgMI0Yu qjSSig==
            ;; Received 1204 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(c.root-servers.net) in 12 ms
            
            whatever.com.           172800  IN      NS      ns6217.hostgator.com.
            whatever.com.           172800  IN      NS      ns6218.hostgator.com.
            CK0POJMG874LJREF7EFN8430QVIT8BSM.com. 86400 IN NSEC3 1 1 0 - CK0Q1GIN43N1ARRC9OSM6QPQR81H5M9A NS SOA RRSIG DNSKEY NSEC3PARAM
            CK0POJMG874LJREF7EFN8430QVIT8BSM.com. 86400 IN RRSIG NSEC3 8 2 86400 20190904044529 20190828033529 17708 com. vtK0SnwKj0v250DLs1saXgDLxjCfNIdwgX/HHiCRQtvwxI3gMdZbEkM2 iOCv2Sdzo0dnz4RxN6BqXXbB8ZwWqG632PgCwFZluYzSi+stiZY2RX31 FlFzE2VgSf9xB/cElOJp94o2sYEW/n4Gqp73bPbE/HFcVeklYm0MI0bA JvU=
            RNHABBI0G00MKABON3HNN10VBLL72I2F.com. 86400 IN NSEC3 1 1 0 - RNHCNLOM2HJP5G1RNIDHEF5664U20CFO NS DS RRSIG
            RNHABBI0G00MKABON3HNN10VBLL72I2F.com. 86400 IN RRSIG NSEC3 8 2 86400 20190905043336 20190829032336 17708 com. pHdhtwlMfX9QPxdOk6xuO4D+naVZOSfIqGqYB1B/QWlCzxRQa97pfUrn sffyo2mChJWntL6XHutDZHB+YGlvBLg4VqvdwUmoeoaZpVqwlSMtAB4x B1cyW+jf0byLvNjJELetC8JFhmH1LpJIRyuvsFhps3f+Nd6RoVUNLWpz FHM=
            ;; Received 614 bytes from 192.5.6.30#53(a.gtld-servers.net) in 39 ms
            
            www.whatever.com.       14400   IN      CNAME   whatever.com.
            whatever.com.           14400   IN      A       198.57.151.250
            whatever.com.           86400   IN      NS      ns6218.hostgator.com.
            whatever.com.           86400   IN      NS      ns6217.hostgator.com.
            ;; Received 159 bytes from 50.87.144.144#53(ns6217.hostgator.com) in 44 ms
            

            that is what happens when you have to resolve from roots.

            So sure if the authoritative NS or any of those others in the path are on the other side of the planet it might take a second... Doesnt matter in the big picture - its only once and after that its direct to the authoritative ns for the domain vs going all the way down from the root .

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              mrsunfire
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              ; <<>> DiG 9.12.2-P1 <<>> www.whatever.com +trace
              ;; global options: +cmd
              .			6497	IN	NS	i.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	h.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	d.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	j.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	g.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	b.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	k.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	m.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	a.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	e.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	f.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	c.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	NS	l.root-servers.net.
              .			6497	IN	RRSIG	NS 8 0 518400 20190912050000 20190830040000 59944 . a18HBLRxbDklfb/5azG80cAJFAwNd4luRiFgFM6QUhVNkCcYfHEPN86t H2TiEwxxwQE+gfKdMFc6F+2GT5MqMgJocYS4hxyai54iMtzN9/HzUxFQ IVeOWU2g2piycqavfFqMp4pfmbESjGj3zBs3BemvD8nS9JVc7PtDnYEN HJ6iYLCSZlLp3HPTOGqd2Kh9uBmujnsVqbUoVWT7H5vT3yblT2J3MdhV XcUYAwl8CneBJGql1VT1ZS5lvGriOnrRuX9evjgHlGZuRk5tiR8oc4aH ndEc28HdihJH4fmj6P0Zq2DnP3KOMV/voHCsF29hEyT3YhpCDng5U99E 994KgA==
              ;; Received 525 bytes from 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) in 0 ms
              
              com.			172800	IN	NS	f.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	e.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	g.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	c.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	d.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	m.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	h.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	i.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	k.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	l.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	b.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	j.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			172800	IN	NS	a.gtld-servers.net.
              com.			86400	IN	DS	30909 8 2 E2D3C916F6DEEAC73294E8268FB5885044A833FC5459588F4A9184CF C41A5766
              com.			86400	IN	RRSIG	DS 8 1 86400 20190913050000 20190831040000 59944 . ZmaE6S3yTVnYVXNywBnPO1hD4iHQ/DaBiMDi2+mRC88NXTH1Qrsnflnm fIInk6AnQAtl9uS3LM+qXinwCUMrpVGupSi9FQ3QneZgnilRzhyuloxM xJi/22+WulaBE7UzDZJrpA572P3dWBHl296vw3oCoF8OENW/D2Z16gWw xOBJD57Jocnhghm9ONXoE60WPWSOQD9xytzc5vl1oZIRYpmcYsNe1wsq NYm+WUSuM1+AaG0tyjdbwxR23nkRowRxTJyARkc4wcaIEQaNXyEm7Iad ToAyiKVxpCGs2B7JKHuVL9sXsNYo/+awj5yGXuWz1tLBk3teXKgMI0Yu qjSSig==
              ;; Received 1176 bytes from 2001:7fe::53#53(i.root-servers.net) in 18 ms
              
              whatever.com.		172800	IN	NS	ns6217.hostgator.com.
              whatever.com.		172800	IN	NS	ns6218.hostgator.com.
              CK0POJMG874LJREF7EFN8430QVIT8BSM.com. 86400 IN NSEC3 1 1 0 - CK0Q1GIN43N1ARRC9OSM6QPQR81H5M9A NS SOA RRSIG DNSKEY NSEC3PARAM
              CK0POJMG874LJREF7EFN8430QVIT8BSM.com. 86400 IN RRSIG NSEC3 8 2 86400 20190904044529 20190828033529 17708 com. vtK0SnwKj0v250DLs1saXgDLxjCfNIdwgX/HHiCRQtvwxI3gMdZbEkM2 iOCv2Sdzo0dnz4RxN6BqXXbB8ZwWqG632PgCwFZluYzSi+stiZY2RX31 FlFzE2VgSf9xB/cElOJp94o2sYEW/n4Gqp73bPbE/HFcVeklYm0MI0bA JvU=
              RNHABBI0G00MKABON3HNN10VBLL72I2F.com. 86400 IN NSEC3 1 1 0 - RNHCNLOM2HJP5G1RNIDHEF5664U20CFO NS DS RRSIG
              RNHABBI0G00MKABON3HNN10VBLL72I2F.com. 86400 IN RRSIG NSEC3 8 2 86400 20190905043336 20190829032336 17708 com. pHdhtwlMfX9QPxdOk6xuO4D+naVZOSfIqGqYB1B/QWlCzxRQa97pfUrn sffyo2mChJWntL6XHutDZHB+YGlvBLg4VqvdwUmoeoaZpVqwlSMtAB4x B1cyW+jf0byLvNjJELetC8JFhmH1LpJIRyuvsFhps3f+Nd6RoVUNLWpz FHM=
              ;; Received 614 bytes from 192.41.162.30#53(l.gtld-servers.net) in 15 ms
              
              www.whatever.com.	14400	IN	CNAME	whatever.com.
              whatever.com.		14400	IN	A	198.57.151.250
              whatever.com.		86400	IN	NS	ns6217.hostgator.com.
              whatever.com.		86400	IN	NS	ns6218.hostgator.com.
              ;; Received 159 bytes from 198.57.151.238#53(ns6218.hostgator.com) in 184 ms
              

              Netgate 6100 MAX

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                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mrsunfire
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                @mrsunfire said in DNS Resolver not caching correct?:

                (ns6218.hostgator.com) in 184 ms

                So you see the authoritative ns are that far away from you - lot farther than 7ms ;)

                At any given time you might of talked to something in the path that took longer than normal, maybe something in path was congested, maybe the ns took longer to answer, etc.

                But that is how something is resolved - when none of it is cached.. now the once the ns for .com are cached no reason to ask roots for those, once the ns for whatever.com is cached no reason to talk to the gtld-servers.net ns - so you can just go ask the authoritative NS directly - but since its a lot farther than 7ms away from you - there can be delays... But in the big picture makes no matter. Since its only going to be once, and then its cached for the length of the TTL, and if you have prefetch setup and or zero answer - you will get an answer from unbound instantly and it will go refresh its stuff in the background..

                So what does it matter if took 1000ms - that is not even going to be really noticed since I doubt a site couple hundred ms away from you is going to load instantly anyway.. Worse case you added a whole second to the page load time (ONCE)

                There is little need of concerning your self if a site resolves in 30ms or 300ms, or even 1000ms.. Since once its cached - none of that matters any more. And in the big picture a fraction of a second in addition to the overall first load time of the page is meaningless.

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                  perlenbacher
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                  Hi johnpoz,

                  could you post your DNS Resolver, General Settings and Advanced Settings please.

                  It would be very handy for us all!

                  Thanks, Perlen

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                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                    Sure here you go
                    settings.png

                    Notice that I have disabled automatic ACLs so you will have to create your own to allow queries.

                    I have also changed from transparent to static for my zone.. Make sure you actually understand what settings do before changing them.. Any questions on what anything specifically does, just ask. Don't think this is some sort of guide to how you should set yours up.. These are my settings for my network and use case.. Most of them are just default.. Only a couple of changes really from out of the box settings. Which may or may not be good for your actual needs.

                    Generally speaking - out of the box should be fine for pretty much everyone.

                    As to the general settings - there are no dns set other than local... Here
                    general.png

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                      perlenbacher
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                      Very interesting, much appreciated. Thanks!

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                        mrsunfire
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                        For info: this is the result of cacheoutput after two days and I'm happy with it:

                        total.num.queries=21177
                        total.num.queries_ip_ratelimited=0
                        total.num.cachehits=15554
                        total.num.cachemiss=5623
                        total.num.prefetch=8627
                        total.num.zero_ttl=9232
                        total.num.recursivereplies=5623
                        

                        Thanks a lot @johnpoz !

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                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          @mrsunfire said in DNS Resolver not caching correct?:

                          total.num.zero_ttl=9232

                          that seems like a lot of low TTLs - you might want to play with uping the min vs letting them set like 60 seconds and 5 min ttls

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                            mrsunfire
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                            So with what should I start? And what does this change? Isn't this dangerous?

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                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                              In the advanced tab change the min ttl to say 1800 or 3600 vs letting them set such low ttls.. Could it cause issues - maybe. But I doubt it really..

                              Lets say you had something that was using a 60 second TTL, do the IPs even change - I had issue with some software where it checked a fqdn all the time, and the ttl was 60 seconds.. But upon check it multiple times the IP wasn't even changing - so what is the F'ing point of having dns query for it every 60 seconds.

                              Then you have them doing load balancing nonsense via dns

                              example
                              ;scribe.logs.roku.com. IN A

                              ;; ANSWER SECTION:
                              scribe.logs.roku.com. 60 IN A 52.21.150.70
                              scribe.logs.roku.com. 60 IN A 35.172.120.217
                              scribe.logs.roku.com. 60 IN A 34.233.159.203
                              scribe.logs.roku.com. 60 IN A 35.170.206.212
                              scribe.logs.roku.com. 60 IN A 52.200.248.59
                              scribe.logs.roku.com. 60 IN A 52.1.249.132
                              scribe.logs.roku.com. 60 IN A 34.226.55.236
                              scribe.logs.roku.com. 60 IN A 52.21.44.213

                              So while you might use 52.21.150.70 one time, next time is 25.172.120.217, etc. Only issue you could have is that 52.21.150.170 no longer works.

                              Have really never seen it be an issue.. But I wouldn't suggest you set the min to like 24 hours or anything.. If you find your having an issue getting somewhere, you can always just flush that specific entry from your cache.

                              This should lower the amount of both local queries and external queries.. Since now vs your local client asking for something every min with such a low ttl, it would only need to query 1 an hour for example.. Same goes for external queries. If your local device is not using a local cache - doesn't really matter what the ttl is for local queries - but would keep your dns from having to resolve it every freaking 60 seconds because some dumb iot device keeps asking for it every 30 freaking seconds, etc. because it has no local cache.

                              But hey if you got some local devices asking for whatever.something.tld every minute - you just got a 60x reduction in the number of external queries you have to do ;) if you change the min ttl to 1 hour. Multiply that by a few devices and few different fqdn being queried and in the course of 24 you could be doing 10s of 1000's of less queries.. Again prob not all that big of deal in the big picture.. But why do them if you don't really need to, etc.

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                                mrsunfire
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                                I don't know if I should play around with that because everything runs fast and good for now. But I see if my WAN goes down unbound restarts. Any chance to disable this function and keep it running?

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                                  Gertjan @mrsunfire
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                                  @mrsunfire said in DNS Resolver not caching correct?:

                                  But I see if my WAN goes down unbound restarts

                                  It's possible that the restart of unbound wasn't needed. If the WAN IP stays the same, then maybe yes, it might not be needed.
                                  I guess you should investigate why the WAN NIC goes down ? Missing an UPS ? Then add one.

                                  There are many reasons that a WAN interface change has more effect, and then unbound should restart.
                                  Loadbalancing. VPN usage (the tunnel is rebuild, and unbound should use the tunnel), etc.

                                  However : there is no GUI setting that let you choose what to restart, or not.
                                  Just stop ripping out the cable, or have people play with the power plug, and you'll be fine.

                                  No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                  Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                    mrsunfire
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                                    The IP stays the same. I use cable and the inhouse coax is getting renewed. The old one sometimes has ingress and the connection goes down shortly. I have to say that pfSense then switches to my failover WAN2.

                                    Any chance to disable unbound restart?

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                                      Gertjan @mrsunfire
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                                      Do you mean your upstream WAN Ethernet goes really down ? The upstream device resets ?
                                      It's a cable modem - your mentioned 'coax' ?

                                      @mrsunfire said in DNS Resolver not caching correct?:

                                      Any chance to disable unbound restart?

                                      Not without you actually changing the code.

                                      Btw : the monitoring process will also reset the interface if the upstream gateway becomes unreachable. You could change these settings.

                                      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                        mrsunfire
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                                        Yes the cable modem loses connection to the upstream gateway of my ISP. Then a gateway alarm appears and it switches to my WAN2.

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                                          Gertjan @mrsunfire
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                                          @mrsunfire said in DNS Resolver not caching correct?:

                                          Then a gateway alarm appears and it switches to my WAN2.

                                          Ok. Pretty good reason to inform unbound about that event ^^

                                          No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                          Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                            mrsunfire
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                                            Sure but why is it clearing the cache? An option to prevent that would be nice.

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