Netgate Discussion Forum
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Search
    • Register
    • Login

    How to remove NAT through the VPN ?

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved OpenVPN
    14 Posts 3 Posters 1.3k Views
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • L
      LLFT
      last edited by

      @JKnott said in How to remove NAT through the VPN ?:

      Where is the NAT occurring? On your VPN? WAN interface? It shouldn't be on the VPN, as that's just plain routing there

      Thanks for the interest bring to my post

      VPN.png

      An image is better than a long discord.

      That's what I'm analyzing on a UDP frame.

      The UDP frame is sent by 172.30.2.13 to 172.19.2.255 on port 9000.

      I want that when the server responds it does it on port 9000 and by on the port forwarding

      JKnottJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • JKnottJ
        JKnott @LLFT
        last edited by

        @LLFT said in How to remove NAT through the VPN ?:

        I want that when the server responds it does it on port 9000 and by on the port forwarding

        You do understand that very often different port numbers are used for either direction. What is the source port on that packet? That's where the reply will be sent. Also, do you have NAT running anywhere? I don't see any point where it's likely to be used. NAT is normally used to get around the IPv4 address shortage, though it may also be used to avoid conflicts between sites that use RFC1918 addresses locally.

        PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
        i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
        UniFi AC-Lite access point

        I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

        L 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • L
          LLFT @JKnott
          last edited by

          Re: How to remove NAT through the VPN ?

          Yes, I reassure you I understand a minimum the mechanism of the network.

          In TCP most of the time an application initiates a communication on an application port and then the server and the client go on to communicate over our port range.

          The source port is 9000.

          No current NAT in my opinion only routing, but a PAT well apparent.

          My wish would be to get this:
          VPN2.png

          Easier to manage firewall rules.

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by

            That is not how it would work at all.. And why and the hell would you want it too.. You have a double nat in that picture..

            If sent from 172.30.2.13:9000 then the answer would be to 172.30.2.13:9000

            Why would you think it would ever get natted to your tunnel interface? If you want it to be source natted at your 172.19.2 network, then do it there.. You might do such a thing when the dest box doesn't have a gateway, or uses a different default gateway and has no route back to 172.30.2 via your vpn server..

            An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
            If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
            Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
            SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • L
              LLFT
              last edited by

              The purpose of this montage is only when the client sends a frame. The server receives a frame having for source IP that of the client.

              I would like the VPN part to be invisible in their exchange.

              JKnottJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • JKnottJ
                JKnott @LLFT
                last edited by

                @LLFT said in How to remove NAT through the VPN ?:

                I would like the VPN part to be invisible in their exchange.

                Then you want the VPN in TAP mode, not TUN. That is essentially a bridge between the 2 networks. It also requires the networks to be in the same subnet.

                PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                UniFi AC-Lite access point

                I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  @LLFT said in How to remove NAT through the VPN ?:

                  I would like the VPN part to be invisible in their exchange.

                  It would be from the client or servers perspective... The client has no idea its going over a tunnel, nor does the server have any idea about the tunnel network... It sees the source IP only..

                  An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                  If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                  Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                  SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

                  JKnottJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • JKnottJ
                    JKnott @johnpoz
                    last edited by

                    @johnpoz

                    It would be nice to know exactly what he's trying to do and what he thinks the issue is. I'm still stuck on the first part.

                    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                    i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                    UniFi AC-Lite access point

                    I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by johnpoz

                      Yeah have no idea either, there is no nat in a vpn connection.. Unless he on purpose set it up to nat somewhere..

                      Maybe he is trying to do a L2? But if so he is showing different L3 on each end of his tunnel.. So yeah not really sure what his issue is or trying to accomplish.

                      Maybe something is getting lost in translation? He posted in French as well?

                      An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                      If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                      Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                      SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • L
                        LLFT
                        last edited by

                        Hello,

                        Sorry for the response times, I was away.

                        I will try to answer your questions.

                        I did not take a VPN in TAP mode because the purpose of my VPN is to connect a remote site with multiple hosts to a central site through an LTE and ADSL network.

                        My problem is that everything works well. Only equipment located on the remote site can not communicate with its server.
                        One of the exchanges at the level of this equipment is done via FTP. (PASSIVE / ACTIVE, I do not know)

                        I assumed that the port change between each routing hop was causing my problem. That's why I made a fixation on the NAT / PAT, I simply forgot the OSI level of my VPN.

                        And yes ! I am French :)

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by

                          And does the firewall on the server allow traffic from this remote network IP range.

                          An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                          If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                          Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                          SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • L
                            LLFT
                            last edited by

                            I intend to activate the firewall part in a second time. For now it's open door.

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • First post
                              Last post
                            Copyright 2025 Rubicon Communications LLC (Netgate). All rights reserved.