pfSense 2.5 Release Date News
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I won't even begin to try to understand why people like you have such a visceral reaction in the middle of people having a rational discussion.
And I never understand the people who come to this forum and do nothing but bitch and moan about something they haven't contributed even the tiniest thing towards. Look at you, you've been here for 5 years with a whopping 31 posts. No doubt you only post when you need help or want something.
And no, people don't get flamed for asking a question. They get negative responses because they invariably whine or jump to the conclusion that Netgate is being shady for some reason.
You might want to take a deep breath before posting your next response...
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Look, if WebGUI is not your flavour and you really want a CLI, spin up a FreeBSD instance and go nuts. All the CLI and text file configs you can handle.
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@tcsac said in pfSense 2.5 Release Date News:
Yes, they literally said pennbacker which was presented at fd.io dpdk was PFsense 3.0. Justifications for starting over from scratch/moving away from FreeBSD are in the slide deck.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PFSENSE/comments/75pt7g/pissed_with_my_edgerouter_thinking_of_switching/Yeh. I almost did not post what I wrote, but once I started reading about pennbacker I needed to chime in.
I don't know. I do not think any of us are trying to dump on the pfSense team here. I do not think any of us deserve to. I know I am trying to scratch that itch of excitement when I heard the phrase API.
I think we are all just trying to make decisions to support our future strategies, and information about pfSense direction may be needed to move those strategies along.
I apologize if I have offended anyone.
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@KOM I think you are exaggerating what is going on here, and it should stop. You are turning this conversation into an argument, when we are all just trying to be good-natured. Please contain your passion, and maintain your respect in these forums.
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@KOM said in pfSense 2.5 Release Date News:
I won't even begin to try to understand why people like you have such a visceral reaction in the middle of people having a rational discussion.
And I never understand the people who come to this forum and do nothing but bitch and moan about something they haven't contributed even the tiniest thing towards. Look at you, you've been here for 5 years with a whopping 31 posts. No doubt you only post when you need help or want something.
I actually have contributed, and most of my posts are me working through issues and following up with solutions and resolutions. If you had spent 30 seconds looking instead of making really poor assumptions you'd have figured that out.
And no, people don't get flamed for asking a question. They get negative responses because they invariably whine or jump to the conclusion that Netgate is being shady for some reason.
Asking about an update on something that was announced 3 years ago isn't whining.
You might want to take a deep breath before posting your next response...
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Look, if WebGUI is not your flavour and you really want a CLI, spin up a FreeBSD instance and go nuts. All the CLI and text file configs you can handle.
I really don't understand what your issue is, but you should seriously take a step back and try to figure out why you're so toxic and hostile. You're jumping into a conversation and trying to start an argument for literally no reason. Everything you've thrown against the wall WRT: people whining or bitching or not contributing is literally fabricated bullshit. It has no place here or anywhere else, I'm not sure if you've got serious issues in real life or not, but chill the fuck out.
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@tcsac I am hoping that it took a while to draft that response. I think we are all just passionate about this, and each want to express what we think. I can understand how you can feel attacked by @KOM , but I think you are both crossing some lines that should not be in this post.
While I understand that you need to defend yourself, please take the rest of this conversation somewhere else.
Thank you both for your contributions to this topic, and please continue to post relevant information.
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@tcsac
Sounds like you have a different use case than me. I don't need 10+Gbps in near future , 2-3 years. If you do, I understand the interest in VPP. -
Just my 2 cents but I think @tcsac has a valid point. I mean there is a whole fork of pfsense and their devs who used to support pfsense (Cough Opnsense), and their followers with this premise. That is valid evidence to back up his concerns, and that came from within, not just mere speculation. Otherwise the fork devs wouldn't have deviated from pfSense development.
Maybe @tcsac is just hitting too close to home for some to accept that people have these concerns over Netgate's direction. IMHO if they take this route they should just be clear like Redhat has recently done with Fedora and more recently with CentOS.
Bitching about people bitching is not very productive to the conversation. I will say I'm still here. I still support Netgate and pfSense. It's still the superior open source firewall. I'm also in the crowd that thinks they should be more clear with direction. We are their existing or potential customers. I don't post a whole lot on here. I don't have time, but I do support the project through donations, continued use of pfSense at home, and I control IT budget for a Fortune company. Flaming people like me with valid concerns is not very conductive, whatever Netgate's strategy actually is.
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My last post on this.
First off, I'd like to apologize to both @tcsac and @webdawg. I went off on the two of you pretty harshly. It wasn't one of my better days and for that I am sorry. I usually try to act as peacemaker when tempers flare around here, but I was lacking in this case.
My frustration came from my view of seeing people assuming the worst or assuming sinister motivations from Netgate. I don't understand it. This is how rumours get started. Just because there is something you don't know, it doesn't mean they're hiding it. Just because Netgate changed something, it doesn't mean they're pulling a fast one.
Anyway, I've blown this whole thread out of proportion. I might suggest that if there is something that one really needs to know and don't have answers for with regard to Netgate and their direction, that you send them an email, or a tweet, or summon @jimp here in the forum. They have always been pretty responsive IME, so at worst you might get an "I don't know/Not sure" reply.
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@jimp, who we all know is very active on the forum, is taking a much-deserved vacation. In his absence let me just say that 2.5 is still in development and our engineers are actively working to a release. We try to be as transparent as possible and you can follow the development and see what exactly is being done in redmine.
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@dennis_s said in pfSense 2.5 Release Date News:
@jimp, who we all know is very active on the forum, is taking a much-deserved vacation. In his absence let me just say that 2.5 is still in development and our engineers are actively working to a release. We try to be as transparent as possible and you can follow the development and see what exactly is being done in redmine.
It's heartwarming to see @jimp working on Sunday before he leaves for vacation...that's dedication!
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@jimp hope you are having a good one!
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sound more like this
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Any updates on this thread?
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@webdawg No updates on 2.5, you can still follow the updates in redmine to see what has been worked on recently. We did, however, release the 2.4.5 snapshots for community testing.
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@Rod-It - for me and others, who were planning to buy new hardware anyway. The difference was speccing it with 2.5.0 in mind so we didn’t have to replace it again in a year or so, which for me meant an N3150 box instead of a J1900. Nothing world-ending.
I much would rather they announced the restconf (where the RFCs mandate hardware crypto) and delayed it in the roadmap as they have than to just silently shove it into 2.5.0 dev and upset people who had just bought hardware...
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Netgate: So I'm assuming that 2.4.5 will be an update to get us off the end-of-life'd FreeBSD with some basic bug fixes so the bigger release of 2.5 can be perfected?
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So, pfSense Santa deemed us good for an update...nice! It would be awesome if Snort inline mode and Suricata 5.01 can work with pfSense 2.4.5 while we wait for version 2.5.
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I'm not sure 2.4.5 will drop before Xmas as there are quite a few open issues still. Snort in line has pretty much always worked with a new release, though.
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I would be very much surprised if 2.4.5 released prior to end of January or well into February, let alone before the end of the year. They have been hammering out code all week from what I can see, but not 70 before COB on Friday. Then with Christmas being in the middle of the week and schools being off until January so the kids will be home. I don't see as much progress being made from 12/23/2019 - 1/2/2020 as was made this week.
Then you have testing to make sure all those bug fixes didn't introduce any new bugs and the stability of the near-final product before it will be offered as a stable update path.
I wouldn't hold any breath.
