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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      Yeah a better point here is why update the BIOS without some very good reason?

      The most "stable" is going to be the version most other people are running and most people probably never update Coreboot.

      Simply by updating you're putting yourself in a much smaller group of users running far less tested code. You should have a good reason for doing so.

      That said I updated my APU(1) to 4.8.0.1 just to test it a few months back and have seen no issues.

      Steve

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        VAMike @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10 said in PC Engines APU4C4 Experience:

        Yeah a better point here is why update the BIOS without some very good reason?

        4.8.0.5 enables ECC

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          jasonraymundo31
          last edited by jasonraymundo31

          @bouke what's the up-time now? also did you face an issue ?

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          • boukeB
            bouke @jasonraymundo31
            last edited by

            @knowbe4 I am glad you asked. The up time is approximately one month. I didn't face any further issues with this board.

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              xparanoik
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              @BOUKE do you have any more updates for us? Interested in getting rid of my old Supermicro Atom SoC server and building an APU4C4 pfSense box instead. Did you buy just the board or a whole kit with enclosure?

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              • dotdashD
                dotdash
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                I've been getting the APU4C4's in kit form via a US reseller. I had trouble installing until I updated them to the most recent BIOS. I never bothered updating APU1 or APU2 units, but besides some doubled text output during boot, they work fine now.

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                • boukeB
                  bouke @xparanoik
                  last edited by

                  @xparanoik said in PC Engines APU4C4 Experience:

                  @BOUKE do you have any more updates for us? Interested in getting rid of my old Supermicro Atom SoC server and building an APU4C4 pfSense box instead. Did you buy just the board or a whole kit with enclosure?

                  Normally I just buy the whole kit: enclosure, board, mSATA SSD (msata16h), power adapter.

                  I can recommend Meconet if you require a 19" enclosure:
                  https://shop.meconet.de/meconet-mBOX-case-solutions/19-Inch-cases/for-PC-Engines-260mm/mBOX-19-260mm-for-one-PC-Engines-ALIX-APU-with-4-x-LAN-1-x-serial-1-x-USB-1-x-power-for-external-power-supply::117712.html

                  But be very specific if you order at Meconet. Always verify your choice by e-mail before ordering! They have a lot of different enclosures.

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                  • boukeB
                    bouke @dotdash
                    last edited by bouke

                    @dotdash said in PC Engines APU4C4 Experience:

                    I've been getting the APU4C4's in kit form via a US reseller. I had trouble installing until I updated them to the most recent BIOS. I never bothered updating APU1 or APU2 units, but besides some doubled text output during boot, they work fine now.

                    Indeed. You really have to update the BIOS for the APU4 board.
                    I just update to the newest BIOS version before an APU2/3/4 is being installed for a customer:

                    • 4.9.0.4
                    • https://pcengines.github.io/

                    I have bought two "Flash recovery adapter for apu2/3". The flash recovery adapter also works fine on the APU4 boards (I did verify this by e-mail at PC Engine's support and I did test it myself). So, when you brick a board, you can easily recover it.

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                      gtrdriver
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                      Hallo

                      i just got my APU4c4 Board yesterday - installed Pfsense on it - everything works like a Charm.
                      Then i decided to update Bios of Board for Max stability ...

                      I Chosse the File "apu4" from https://pcengines.github.io

                      Update runs fine everything looks good.

                      After Reboot PFSense wont boot any more - allways run into Kernel Panic (dont know if this is the right word for this issue)

                      then i tryed to Reinstall Pfsense again - but even if i try to boot from USB Installer i get same Issue

                      ![alt text](image url)ScreenShot2998.jpg ScreenShot2997.jpg

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                      • boukeB
                        bouke @gtrdriver
                        last edited by

                        @gtrdriver Try to downgrade the BIOS. When unsuccessful: use a debricker. These cost a few Euros/Dollars.

                        https://www.pcengines.ch/spi1a.htm

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                          gtrdriver
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                          Hi

                          What Version of Bios do you think should i choose ?

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                          • fireodoF
                            fireodo @gtrdriver
                            last edited by

                            @gtrdriver said in PC Engines APU4C4 Experience:

                            Hi

                            What Version of Bios do you think should i choose ?

                            You could give the legacy Bios 4.0.28 or mainline Bios prior to 4.10.0 a try - the versions above contain some significant changes that may interfere with your other hardware.
                            IMHO,
                            fireodo

                            Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                            SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                            pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                            Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                              gtrdriver
                              last edited by

                              Hi

                              i have created a bootable Debian Stick - and tryed this

                              BIOS version v4.9.0.7

                              With this Bios Version Pfsense Seem to boot correctly - i will test.

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                              • fireodoF
                                fireodo @gtrdriver
                                last edited by

                                @gtrdriver said in PC Engines APU4C4 Experience:
                                Hi,

                                BIOS version v4.9.0.7

                                should be fine ...

                                With this Bios Version Pfsense Seem to boot correctly - i will test.

                                it would be helpful if you let us know what kind of SSD/HDD you use for you pfsense installation and if there is also other hardware (wireless etc.).

                                Regards,
                                fireodo

                                Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                                SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                                pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                                Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                                  gtrdriver
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                                  Hi

                                  i use a Plain APU4c4 Device without Wireless - only the 4 NIC´s
                                  I also use the "original" SSD Device wich comes within the Bundle.

                                  There is no Vendor on the Delivered Msata SSD so i think its bulk

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                                  • fireodoF
                                    fireodo @gtrdriver
                                    last edited by fireodo

                                    @gtrdriver said in PC Engines APU4C4 Experience:

                                    Hi

                                    i use a Plain APU4c4 Device without Wireless - only the 4 NIC´s
                                    I also use the "original" SSD Device wich comes within the Bundle.

                                    There is no Vendor on the Delivered Msata SSD so i think its bulk

                                    OK, thanks - those SSDs that come with the APU4 shouldnt make any trouble, but there is always a "but" possible ...

                                    Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                                    SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                                    pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                                    Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                                      gtrdriver
                                      last edited by

                                      Hi

                                      i also see that this Boards can be rund with a SD Card

                                      Does there exist eny long Time exp whats better SD or SSD ?
                                      I use SD on some Raspberry Projekts - no Problems at all ...

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                                      • fireodoF
                                        fireodo @gtrdriver
                                        last edited by fireodo

                                        @gtrdriver said in PC Engines APU4C4 Experience:

                                        Hi

                                        i also see that this Boards can be rund with a SD Card

                                        Does there exist eny long Time exp whats better SD or SSD ?
                                        I use SD on some Raspberry Projekts - no Problems at all ...

                                        SSD is the better alternative. The SD-Card is slower and if you have packages like squid or other, write intensive, packages a SD-Card would not be a good choice because of limited write cycles. In fact it depends how you intend to use pfsense.

                                        Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                                        SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                                        pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                                        Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                                          viragomann @gtrdriver
                                          last edited by

                                          @gtrdriver said in PC Engines APU4C4 Experience:

                                          What Version of Bios do you think should i choose ?

                                          I upgraded one to v4.10.0.1 three weeks ago. There wasn't any issue since then.

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                                          • boukeB
                                            bouke @gtrdriver
                                            last edited by bouke

                                            @gtrdriver Looking at the error message again... could there be an issue with the partition? Did you remove the existing partitions and try a clean installation?

                                            I did read about the attempt to reinstall in your comment - but it once happened to me that I accidentally didn't boot from the USB stick but straight from the SSD... It looked like I was booting from USB but I wasn't. This happend after a power issue some time ago.

                                            I am running BIOS 10.0.0. I am using one of those mSATA SSDs of 16 GB.

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