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      r79c
      last edited by

      vlan5 static ip is 192.168.5.1/24

      I assumed I would be able to NAT the VLAN5 to use the VPN_GROUP I set up which is basically three openvpn clients, just like the LAN does?

      I have followed your advice for the switch I have taken four more screenshots of the switch configuration.

      https://ibb.co/j88PF1j
      https://ibb.co/KWQbQQF
      https://ibb.co/k0rn4Mg
      https://ibb.co/WyKjjLZ

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by johnpoz

        You have port all ports untagged vlan 1 - that is WRONG!!!

        That even lets you have 1 an 5 untagged on port 1 is just stupid.. You should not be able to put more than 1 untagged vlan on a port.. Its a borked configuration!!

        ssumed I would be able to NAT the VLAN5 to use the VPN_GROUP

        How - you don't have anything in outbound nat natting 192.168.5/24 to your vpn interface.. You only have 192.168.1/24

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          r79c @johnpoz
          last edited by r79c

          @johnpoz For me to change the port setup in membership tab on vlan1 I have to change the Port PVID

          ah apart from port 1 which I can blank

          like so

          https://ibb.co/16BV4hz

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by johnpoz

            You have its pvid set to 5.. So remove the vlan 1 untagged on that port!

            Which is correct... Your telling the switch hey any untagged traffic you see ingress to this port is vlan 5 traffic!! And putting the switch in vlan 5 untagged tells the switch hey only send vlan 5 traffic out this port, and remove the tag.

            Now the device connected to this port is in vlan 5, but it doesn't really know.. It just sees untagged traffic..

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              r79c
              last edited by

              right ok I think I've done that

              https://ibb.co/16BV4hz
              https://ibb.co/w7ZLhMV

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                last edited by

                That looks right yes.

                Now you just need to fix your hybrid rules if you want vlan5 to go out your vpn connection.

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                  r79c
                  last edited by r79c

                  So I would need to add a rule for 192.168.5.0/24 LAN to WAN?? altho I have an automatic rule with that.

                  BTW thanks for your help, I'm learning, albeit slowly!

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                    last edited by johnpoz

                    No you need an outbound nat so that pfsense will nat 192.168.5 to one of your vpn interfaces.. You only had 192.168.1 in your hybrid natting to yoru vpn interface ips.

                    Why would you need a rule for lan to wan?? Wan net is not the internet - its just wan net, that is it... Your rule on sending vlan 5 out your vpn would send it out a vpn... But you had no outbound nat to nat 192.168.5 to vpn interface.

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                      r79c
                      last edited by

                      I added a rule to one of the vpn interfaces that I have outbound

                      https://ibb.co/4TspV7G

                      Is this correct?

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                        last edited by

                        Again those wan outbound hybrids are POINTLESS!!!

                        And how you sure that outbound nat is gong to use that vpn interface, if your policy routing it out a group... What if it goes out a different vpn interface?

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                          r79c @johnpoz
                          last edited by r79c

                          So i have the following configuration and I still have no internet connectivity on the pc plugged into port 1 on the netgear switch. The VLAN5 interface is up, I have outbound NAT rules and firewall rules in the VLAN tab. I just dont understand it at the moment????? It should be relatively simple.

                          on the pc i get a dhcp lease but am unable to ping 192.168.5.1 or google.com

                          LAN is on 192.168.1.
                          VLAN is on 192.168.5.

                          here are some more screens of the configuration.

                          https://ibb.co/0ft99fJ
                          https://ibb.co/D9W0ZXV
                          https://ibb.co/wy401MF
                          https://ibb.co/z7Rv26Z
                          https://ibb.co/dcXmmCQ
                          https://ibb.co/8r27zTG
                          https://ibb.co/vsmjRxW
                          https://ibb.co/7JGDVS1
                          https://ibb.co/HTCjhpN

                          I've just read that you cannot send vlan over vpn!

                          https://forum.netgate.com/topic/148170/specific-vlan-over-vpn-only/5

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                          • dotdashD
                            dotdash
                            last edited by

                            Not sure how that NordVPN stuff works, but I think you need the 192.168.5.0 natting out the VPN gateway instead of the redundant WAN. Why don't you just verify the vlan works out the WAN first. I'll refrain from giving my opinions of 'privacy' vpn providers.
                            RE: That last link, i'm not sure what JP is on about- you can't carry the vlan tag over a VPN, but you can absolutely have a vlan interface with a unique subnet and route that. My experience however is with site to site tunnels.

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                              r79c
                              last edited by r79c

                              I thought that as well, getting it to work with the WAN first so I added the following mapping...

                              https://ibb.co/WF4NFYm

                              still no internet, It has to be something stupid that I'm not configuring properly...

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @r79c
                                last edited by johnpoz

                                @r79c said in Netgear/Vlans/Pfsense:

                                on the pc i get a dhcp lease but am unable to ping 192.168.5.1

                                Well then look to the client for why... Can you arp pfsense 192.168.5.1 on the client? You have no rules allowing to ping pfsense.. Its possible everything thing is getting shoved out your policy.. So no you wouldn't be able to ping 192.168.5.1... Create a rule above your policy route rule that allows ping to vlan address

                                I've just read that you cannot send vlan over vpn!

                                Your reading that WRONG... That has nothing to do with what your doing, which is routing a specific network/vlan over a vpn connection.

                                As to getting to the internet - well how and the F do you think its going to go out your vpn which your forcing via your policy route.. But your not natting to it... We already went over this!!!

                                What I would highly suggest you do is get your vlan 5 working as a normal network before you worry about shoving all its traffic down some vpn connection.

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                                  r79c @johnpoz
                                  last edited by r79c

                                  @johnpoz What I would highly suggest you do is get your vlan 5 working as a normal network before you worry about shoving all its traffic down some vpn connection.

                                  that's what I'm trying to do

                                  @johnpoz Create a rule above your policy route rule that allows ping to vlan address

                                  By policy route rule you mean a firewall rule in the vlan tab that allows me to ping vlan address?

                                  if i do arp -a 192.168.5.1 i get

                                  Interface: 192.168.5.0 --- 0x7
                                  Internet Address 192.168.5.1
                                  Physical Address MAC
                                  Type Dynamic

                                  rules picture

                                  https://ibb.co/cyTRT9s

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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                    last edited by johnpoz

                                    @r79c said in Netgear/Vlans/Pfsense:

                                    I dont get a response with arp 192.168.5.1

                                    Look in your client that is on this vlan 5, look in its arp table.. If you do not see pfsense mac address then NO your never going to be able to ping it.

                                    And would say your not getting dhcp from it either..

                                    I am assuming this is a windows box.

                                    lets see its ipconfig /all
                                    ping 192.168.5.1
                                    look in your arp table
                                    arp -a

                                    This is WRONG

                                    Interface: 192.168.5.0 --- 0x7
                                    

                                    Post your ipconfig /all

                                    Your interface sure and the hell should not have a .0 address with a /24 mask.

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                                      r79c
                                      last edited by r79c

                                      arp -a on the client gives me

                                      Interface: 192.168.5.50 --- 0x7

                                      Internet Address
                                      192.168.1.125
                                      192.168.1.201
                                      192.168.1.202
                                      192.168.5.1 - mac address is that of LAN interface on Pfsense
                                      192.168.5.255
                                      224.0.0.2
                                      224.0.0.251
                                      224.0.0.252
                                      239.255.255.250
                                      255.255.255.255

                                      with all the physical address as well

                                      ipconfig /all

                                      Connection : localdomain
                                      description: intel gb network connection
                                      physical: mac
                                      dhcp enabled: yes
                                      auto config: yes
                                      link local ipv6: ...
                                      ipv4 192.168.5.50
                                      subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
                                      default gateway: 192.168.5.1
                                      dhcp server: 192.168.5.1
                                      dhcpv6 iaid: 133459204
                                      dhcpv6 client duid: ...
                                      dns server: 192.168.5.1
                                      netbios over tcip: enabled

                                      yes client is a windows box

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                                      • johnpozJ
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                        last edited by johnpoz

                                        Well is the mac address for 5.1 pfsense mac address. Where were you seeing 5.0? for your interface?

                                        You have something really F'd up

                                        192.168.1.125
                                        192.168.1.201
                                        192.168.1.202
                                        

                                        You shouldn't be seeing 192.168.1 address if your in vlan 5!!!

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                                          r79c @johnpoz
                                          last edited by

                                          @johnpoz yes the mac address for 5.1 is the mac address of the lan interface

                                          5.0 must have been a typo

                                          two of those 192.168.1 address are static IP mappings for devices
                                          192.168.1.125 is the IP address of an access point

                                          all these IP addresses go through port 3 on the netgear switch which is connected to a wireless access point mesh

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                                          • johnpozJ
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                            last edited by

                                            @r79c said in Netgear/Vlans/Pfsense:

                                            two of those 192.168.1 address are static IP mappings for devices

                                            Doesn't matter! So you created those on the device directly with arp? For why? It is pointless, and does nothing - sure and the F not going to work..

                                            I take it basic understanding of how vlans actually work, and what they do is where we need to start..

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