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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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      That looks right yes.

      Now you just need to fix your hybrid rules if you want vlan5 to go out your vpn connection.

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        r79c
        last edited by r79c

        So I would need to add a rule for 192.168.5.0/24 LAN to WAN?? altho I have an automatic rule with that.

        BTW thanks for your help, I'm learning, albeit slowly!

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
          last edited by johnpoz

          No you need an outbound nat so that pfsense will nat 192.168.5 to one of your vpn interfaces.. You only had 192.168.1 in your hybrid natting to yoru vpn interface ips.

          Why would you need a rule for lan to wan?? Wan net is not the internet - its just wan net, that is it... Your rule on sending vlan 5 out your vpn would send it out a vpn... But you had no outbound nat to nat 192.168.5 to vpn interface.

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            r79c
            last edited by

            I added a rule to one of the vpn interfaces that I have outbound

            https://ibb.co/4TspV7G

            Is this correct?

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
              last edited by

              Again those wan outbound hybrids are POINTLESS!!!

              And how you sure that outbound nat is gong to use that vpn interface, if your policy routing it out a group... What if it goes out a different vpn interface?

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                r79c @johnpoz
                last edited by r79c

                So i have the following configuration and I still have no internet connectivity on the pc plugged into port 1 on the netgear switch. The VLAN5 interface is up, I have outbound NAT rules and firewall rules in the VLAN tab. I just dont understand it at the moment????? It should be relatively simple.

                on the pc i get a dhcp lease but am unable to ping 192.168.5.1 or google.com

                LAN is on 192.168.1.
                VLAN is on 192.168.5.

                here are some more screens of the configuration.

                https://ibb.co/0ft99fJ
                https://ibb.co/D9W0ZXV
                https://ibb.co/wy401MF
                https://ibb.co/z7Rv26Z
                https://ibb.co/dcXmmCQ
                https://ibb.co/8r27zTG
                https://ibb.co/vsmjRxW
                https://ibb.co/7JGDVS1
                https://ibb.co/HTCjhpN

                I've just read that you cannot send vlan over vpn!

                https://forum.netgate.com/topic/148170/specific-vlan-over-vpn-only/5

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                • dotdashD
                  dotdash
                  last edited by

                  Not sure how that NordVPN stuff works, but I think you need the 192.168.5.0 natting out the VPN gateway instead of the redundant WAN. Why don't you just verify the vlan works out the WAN first. I'll refrain from giving my opinions of 'privacy' vpn providers.
                  RE: That last link, i'm not sure what JP is on about- you can't carry the vlan tag over a VPN, but you can absolutely have a vlan interface with a unique subnet and route that. My experience however is with site to site tunnels.

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                    r79c
                    last edited by r79c

                    I thought that as well, getting it to work with the WAN first so I added the following mapping...

                    https://ibb.co/WF4NFYm

                    still no internet, It has to be something stupid that I'm not configuring properly...

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @r79c
                      last edited by johnpoz

                      @r79c said in Netgear/Vlans/Pfsense:

                      on the pc i get a dhcp lease but am unable to ping 192.168.5.1

                      Well then look to the client for why... Can you arp pfsense 192.168.5.1 on the client? You have no rules allowing to ping pfsense.. Its possible everything thing is getting shoved out your policy.. So no you wouldn't be able to ping 192.168.5.1... Create a rule above your policy route rule that allows ping to vlan address

                      I've just read that you cannot send vlan over vpn!

                      Your reading that WRONG... That has nothing to do with what your doing, which is routing a specific network/vlan over a vpn connection.

                      As to getting to the internet - well how and the F do you think its going to go out your vpn which your forcing via your policy route.. But your not natting to it... We already went over this!!!

                      What I would highly suggest you do is get your vlan 5 working as a normal network before you worry about shoving all its traffic down some vpn connection.

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                        r79c @johnpoz
                        last edited by r79c

                        @johnpoz What I would highly suggest you do is get your vlan 5 working as a normal network before you worry about shoving all its traffic down some vpn connection.

                        that's what I'm trying to do

                        @johnpoz Create a rule above your policy route rule that allows ping to vlan address

                        By policy route rule you mean a firewall rule in the vlan tab that allows me to ping vlan address?

                        if i do arp -a 192.168.5.1 i get

                        Interface: 192.168.5.0 --- 0x7
                        Internet Address 192.168.5.1
                        Physical Address MAC
                        Type Dynamic

                        rules picture

                        https://ibb.co/cyTRT9s

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by johnpoz

                          @r79c said in Netgear/Vlans/Pfsense:

                          I dont get a response with arp 192.168.5.1

                          Look in your client that is on this vlan 5, look in its arp table.. If you do not see pfsense mac address then NO your never going to be able to ping it.

                          And would say your not getting dhcp from it either..

                          I am assuming this is a windows box.

                          lets see its ipconfig /all
                          ping 192.168.5.1
                          look in your arp table
                          arp -a

                          This is WRONG

                          Interface: 192.168.5.0 --- 0x7
                          

                          Post your ipconfig /all

                          Your interface sure and the hell should not have a .0 address with a /24 mask.

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                            r79c
                            last edited by r79c

                            arp -a on the client gives me

                            Interface: 192.168.5.50 --- 0x7

                            Internet Address
                            192.168.1.125
                            192.168.1.201
                            192.168.1.202
                            192.168.5.1 - mac address is that of LAN interface on Pfsense
                            192.168.5.255
                            224.0.0.2
                            224.0.0.251
                            224.0.0.252
                            239.255.255.250
                            255.255.255.255

                            with all the physical address as well

                            ipconfig /all

                            Connection : localdomain
                            description: intel gb network connection
                            physical: mac
                            dhcp enabled: yes
                            auto config: yes
                            link local ipv6: ...
                            ipv4 192.168.5.50
                            subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
                            default gateway: 192.168.5.1
                            dhcp server: 192.168.5.1
                            dhcpv6 iaid: 133459204
                            dhcpv6 client duid: ...
                            dns server: 192.168.5.1
                            netbios over tcip: enabled

                            yes client is a windows box

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                              last edited by johnpoz

                              Well is the mac address for 5.1 pfsense mac address. Where were you seeing 5.0? for your interface?

                              You have something really F'd up

                              192.168.1.125
                              192.168.1.201
                              192.168.1.202
                              

                              You shouldn't be seeing 192.168.1 address if your in vlan 5!!!

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                                r79c @johnpoz
                                last edited by

                                @johnpoz yes the mac address for 5.1 is the mac address of the lan interface

                                5.0 must have been a typo

                                two of those 192.168.1 address are static IP mappings for devices
                                192.168.1.125 is the IP address of an access point

                                all these IP addresses go through port 3 on the netgear switch which is connected to a wireless access point mesh

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                  @r79c said in Netgear/Vlans/Pfsense:

                                  two of those 192.168.1 address are static IP mappings for devices

                                  Doesn't matter! So you created those on the device directly with arp? For why? It is pointless, and does nothing - sure and the F not going to work..

                                  I take it basic understanding of how vlans actually work, and what they do is where we need to start..

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                                    r79c @johnpoz
                                    last edited by

                                    @johnpoz So you created those on the device directly with arp? For why?

                                    I statically mapped those IP addresses using Pfsense with arp yes, why, because those two devices are TV's which I did not want to put the traffic over VPN connection.

                                    @johnpoz I take it basic understanding of how vlans actually work, and what they do is where we need to start..

                                    sure, your the only one responding to this, and I'm grateful because I can't seem to get this working at all!!! I'm starting to wonder why I'm bothering really, as I only wanted to setup up one VLAN with one PC on my home network LoL

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                      last edited by johnpoz

                                      @r79c said in Netgear/Vlans/Pfsense:

                                      I statically mapped those IP addresses using Pfsense with arp yes,

                                      Dude ON THE CLIENT!!! we need to see the arp table on the CLIENT that is in vlan 5 and connected to port 1 of your switch... Not the arp table of pfsense!!!!

                                      Here

                                      $ arp -a                                                      
                                                                                                    
                                      Interface: 192.168.9.100 --- 0xc                              
                                        Internet Address      Physical Address      Type            
                                        192.168.9.10          00-11-32-7b-29-7d     dynamic         
                                        192.168.9.11          00-11-32-7b-29-7e     dynamic         
                                        192.168.9.99          70-6e-6d-f3-11-93     dynamic         
                                        192.168.9.208         02-11-32-2d-aa-61     dynamic         
                                        192.168.9.253         00-08-a2-0c-e6-24     dynamic         
                                        192.168.9.255         ff-ff-ff-ff-ff-ff     static          
                                        224.0.0.22            01-00-5e-00-00-16     static          
                                        239.192.0.0           01-00-5e-40-00-00     static          
                                        239.255.255.250       01-00-5e-7f-ff-fa     static          
                                        255.255.255.255       ff-ff-ff-ff-ff-ff     static          
                                                                                                    
                                      Interface: 192.168.9.101 --- 0x14                             
                                        Internet Address      Physical Address      Type            
                                        192.168.9.10          00-11-32-7b-29-7d     dynamic         
                                        192.168.9.11          00-11-32-7b-29-7e     dynamic         
                                        192.168.9.253         00-08-a2-0c-e6-24     dynamic         
                                        192.168.9.255         ff-ff-ff-ff-ff-ff     static          
                                        224.0.0.22            01-00-5e-00-00-16     static          
                                        239.192.0.0           01-00-5e-40-00-00     static          
                                        239.255.255.250       01-00-5e-7f-ff-fa     static          
                                        255.255.255.255       ff-ff-ff-ff-ff-ff     static          
                                      

                                      This is my windows box arp table... Post yours up from the BOX connected to port 1 of your switch! if on that box your seeing 192.168.1 IPs then your setup is BORKED!!!

                                      And post your ipconfig /all

                                      $ ipconfig /all                                                                     
                                                                                                                          
                                      Windows IP Configuration                                                            
                                                                                                                          
                                         Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : i5-win                                       
                                         Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . : local.lan                                    
                                         Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast                                    
                                         IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No                                           
                                         WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No                                           
                                         DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : local.lan                                    
                                                                                                                          
                                      Ethernet adapter Local:                                                             
                                                                                                                          
                                         Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :                                              
                                         Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek PCIe GbE Family Controller           
                                         Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-3B-2F-67-62                            
                                         DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No                                           
                                         Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes                                          
                                         IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.9.100(Preferred)                     
                                         Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0                                
                                         Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.9.253                                
                                         DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.3.10                                 
                                         NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled                                      
                                                                                                                          
                                      

                                      At a loss to where your posting that arp info from - because that sure and the F does not look like how pfsense would present it..... And no matter what you did with static arps on pfsense they would not show in your clients arp table.. You do not have your vlans setup how you think you do if your seeing arp entries from 192.168.1 on your box that is suppose to be in vlan 5

                                      This is switch setup
                                      pfsense - 1U,5T --- switch --- 5U --- vlan 5 client

                                      If that is how you have it setup, you should NEVER see arp entries for anything other than what is in vlan 5

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                                        r79c
                                        last edited by r79c

                                        ok here it is, from the client...

                                        C:\WINDOWS\system32>arp -a
                                        
                                        Interface: 192.68.5.50 --- 0x7
                                           Internet Address                       Physical Address                  Type
                                           192.168.1.125                          b0-be-76-b7-cf-8c                  dynamic
                                           192.168.1.201                          78-bd-bc-34-d0-f3                  dynamic
                                           192.168.1.202                          08-84-9d-87-b5-d3                 dynamic
                                           192.168.5.1                              6d-b3-11-1c-6c-77                  dynamic
                                           192.168.5.255                          ff-ff-ff-ff-ff-ff                                static
                                           224.0.0.22                                 01-00-5e-00-00-16                 static
                                           224.0.0.251                               01-00-5e-00-00-fb                  static
                                           224.0.0.252                               01-00-5e-00-00-fc                  static
                                           239.255.255.250                      01-00-5e-7f-ff-fa                      static
                                           255.255.255.255                      ff-ff-ff-ff-ff-ff                                static
                                        

                                        BORKED! LOL

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by johnpoz

                                          Yup that is BORKED

                                          You should not be seeing 192.168.1 address if your in vlan 5.. So your switch is clearly not setup correctly. or its not doing what it should be doing.. If you were in vlan 5 it would not be possible for you to get arp answers for anything in 192.168.1

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                                            r79c @johnpoz
                                            last edited by

                                            @johnpoz said in Netgear/Vlans/Pfsense:

                                            This is switch setup
                                            pfsense - 1U,5T --- switch --- 5U --- vlan 5 client

                                            If you could look at the following pictures they show the netgear switch setup as it is at the moment.

                                            https://ibb.co/0ft99fJ
                                            https://ibb.co/D9W0ZXV
                                            https://ibb.co/wy401MF
                                            https://ibb.co/z7Rv26Z

                                            Pfsense is plugged in to port 2

                                            VLAN5 PC Client is plugged in to port 1

                                            Everything else is plugged into port 3

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