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    Time always slow 2.4.5

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    • DaddyGoD
      DaddyGo
      last edited by

      That's what I mean:

      https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/connectivity/real-time-clocks.html
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_clock

      on the MOBO

      Cats bury it so they can't see it!
      (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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        funktified @DaddyGo
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        @DaddyGo Sorry - did I miss a comment? RTC seems like the clock module, however how can I utilise that as the NUC is still under warranty and I dont want to change any parts during its warranty?

        @three I had configured a SATA drive and installed 2.4.5 and the time is still off unfortunately

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        • provelsP
          provels @funktified
          last edited by provels

          @funktified I think you have a hardware issue with the RTC module, bad part. I'd return. That's what your battery feeds when the unit is off and between updates. But if you've already broken the old battery off, I think you're SOL.

          Peder

          MAIN - pfSense+ 24.11-RELEASE - Adlink MXE-5401, i7, 16 GB RAM, 64 GB SSD. 500 GB HDD for SyslogNG
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          • DaddyGoD
            DaddyGo
            last edited by DaddyGo

            The RTC includes a crystal oscillator (in fact, it is the clock of the synchronous base) that keeps the time, when there is no NTP update.........
            Well, it could be faulty on the motherboard.

            like this:

            https://handsontec.com/index.php/product/32-768khz-quartz-crystal/

            There are many forms, you can’t fix it, so submit an RMA request.

            Cats bury it so they can't see it!
            (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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              funktified
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              @provels said in Time always slow 2.4.5:

              But if you've already broken the old battery off, I think you're SOL.

              Yup... I think I definitely have wacked the original OEM battery!

              @DaddyGo said in Time always slow 2.4.5:

              There are many forms, you can’t fix it, so submit an RMA request.

              I will try this approach as to what provels suggested and see if I can get an RMA.

              Thank you everyone for the help and will update if there is a solution apart from RMA/paper wight.

              Just in case it could be of use in the future, I had created this thread on FreeBSD forum: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/time-slow-on-minipc.75602/

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              • DaddyGoD
                DaddyGo
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                You welcome

                Cats bury it so they can't see it!
                (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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                  funktified
                  last edited by

                  Just an update - my awesome Account Manager pushed the RMA through and now works perfectly.

                  So definitely something with that board that caused the issue.

                  Thank you again eveyone for your contributions.

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                    three
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                    I am glad it worked out for you. And thanks for coming back and letting us know.

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                    • DaddyGoD
                      DaddyGo
                      last edited by DaddyGo

                      Frenetic news, THX.

                      If already, we talk in the forum...
                      Pls, allow me to draw your attention to something.
                      I see that a Realtek ethernet controller (2 pcs.) is integrated into the NUC (https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?re(4))

                      Realtek is not a good choice for pfSense it has serious drawbacks.
                      True supported, but there will always be problems with it, if you are looking for a bit on this topic in the forum, it is not specifically recommended. (for example IPS netmap support)

                      The next time you invest in a SOHO category pfSense box, choose Netgate dedicated devices (it's not advertising, they're really good) or this: PcEngines APU boards, : https://www.pcengines.ch/apu4d4.htm
                      (my favorite and there are more than 40 of them)

                      or
                      https://www.netgate.com/solutions/pfsense/sg-5100.html
                      Both the APU and Netgate devices have a enthusiastic support group on the forum.

                      Intel ethernet controllers work flawlessly with NGFW, such as I350 / I340 / I210-AT / I211.
                      https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?igb(4)

                      Also, keep in mind that, Intel has a vulnerability: https://meltdownattack.com/, this is somewhat resolved, but does not affect AMD and ARM CPUs, for example.

                      Of course, if these are available in your country (AU).

                      Thanks for reading through my experience and if I can help you with anything, I am at your disposal.

                      Cats bury it so they can't see it!
                      (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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                        funktified
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                        @DaddyGo Thank you very much for your tips. I agree with regards to getting original Netgate/Intel products and would have preferred the SG-3100, however they were and are currently not readily available in Australia, and if they were, we cant trust our main postal carrier to deliver on time.

                        We also compromised, that for its purpose as a SOHO that doesnt require mission critical (excluding Chronic HypoNet Syndrome inducing tantrums in (pre)adolescents) access and the current econmic uncertainty, this solution will do until next year when we can upgrade again in addition to its readily available warranty.

                        Thank you nonetheless and will keep your comments for future reference.

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          @funktified said in Time always slow 2.4.5:

                          however they were and are currently not readily available in Australia, and if they were, we cant trust our main postal carrier to deliver on time.

                          Just out of curiosity... Did you check with any of the 8 sellers that show for au?
                          https://www.netgate.com/partners/locator.html#australia

                          I clicked on the premier listed one website, they show they have 3100's and ship within 24 hours.. And says they ship express post (next day)..

                          I see this mentioned as an excuse quite often.. Just curious if users actually check is all..

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                            funktified @johnpoz
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                            @johnpoz said in Time always slow 2.4.5:

                            Just curious if users actually check is all..

                            Yes... No... No I did not... Blocked location and cookies in browser only showed EU blue and green dots ... shhh gentle ID-10-T Alert!

                            Region default showed All and only EU with my browser initially and I therefore assumed they were the only sellers when I quickly searched and didnt find Oceania/AUNZ - only realised you can select a region to actually find more even with blocked location although I didnt think Oceania/AUNZ was grouped in Asia.

                            At least its given me a greater appreciation of the Netgate community and that RTC is somewhat important on FreeBSD platforms! 👍 👍

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                              last edited by johnpoz

                              Its quite possible netgate could put in better effort in making sure users can get their products in other parts of the world.

                              But I run into multiple threads of users saying they are doing diy builds because the netgate is not available in their regions, etc. But when I look there always seems to be multiple places to get them in that area ;)

                              But not actually living in that area of the world, its hard to know if maybe that listed company is just shitty, or their prices are too high? Exchange rates and electronics can be tricky as well.. And how companies set prices for things with exchange rates always seems odd to me.. Examples of this are easy to see in just soho type routers.. You might find product X selling for $100 USD... But then you find it for 100 quid somewhere in the UK.. .But if it costs 100 USD, with the exchange rate shouldn't it only cost like £80..

                              So to me, for example price of 3100 here in the states is $400, so with the current exchange rate to AUD shouldn't it be like 600 AUD... But that one site I checked showed $750 AUD... That doesn't seem right??? But maybe has to do with taxes or tariffs or whatever - maybe that company just looking to make a nice profit.. What is always curious to me is what did they buy it for..

                              For sure not an economic major - but to me if exchange rate of currency is X to Y... Then cost of goods should follow that exchange rate.. Sure there could be differences in cost to manufacture in different regions of the globe.. So A made in A might cost X, while A made in B might only cost C in region B.. But I doubt that is what is going on all the time, I think most of the time you see these differences in cost that don't follow the exchange rate is companies up to shenanigans :)

                              Price of something is always going to follow what the market will bear ;)

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                              • JeGrJ
                                JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator
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                                @johnpoz said in Time always slow 2.4.5:

                                So to me, for example price of 3100 here in the states is $400, so with the current exchange rate to AUD shouldn't it be like 600 AUD... But that one site I checked showed $750 AUD... That doesn't seem right??? But maybe has to do with taxes or tariffs or whatever - maybe that company just looking to make a nice profit.. What is always curious to me is what did they buy it for..

                                Just to throw in another thought: US prices are often/always without any further taxes. Prices e.g. in Germany when you don't run a strict B2B shop for companies only always include VAT. Don't know if the shop you checked auto-included VAT, import taxes and/or shipping - just sayin' :)

                                Don't forget to upvote 👍 those who kindly offered their time and brainpower to help you!

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @JeGr
                                  last edited by johnpoz

                                  ^ exactly.. US is horrible in trying to make shit look cheaper by leaving out any taxes that might be imposed ;)

                                  Just give the price of the gawd damn thing - what is my out of pocket cost.. But no you make it look cheaper by leaving off the tax.. And then find out its 10% more, etc..

                                  You go to the store and there is a bottle of booze listed for 24.99 on the shelf, but then you go to pay for it and there is sales tax and excise tax, and convenience tax, and whatever - and it ends up being 32$... Just put 32$ on the freaking shelf ;)

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                                    funktified @johnpoz
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                                    @johnpoz said in Time always slow 2.4.5:

                                    You go to the store and there is a bottle of booze listed for 24.99 on the shelf, but then you go to pay for it and there is sales tax and excise tax, and convenience tax, and whatever - and it ends up being 32$... Just put 32$ on the freaking shelf ;)

                                    Completely off-topic, but I like the banter.. this kinda reminds me of Bali eating out as a foreigner... Food + Service Tax + Tips + Peak Christmas Season Tax + Corkage.... plus foot rub, donkey ride, bracelet, coconut bag, photo, photo with snake, photo with monkey, photo with some random... then the tip to the driver once you get back to your accommodation, only to find the cleaners are waiting!

                                    But if I were to onsell the 3100 based on US prices of $399 as a small quantity reseller. Id assume I would have to buy this from Netgate USA with a max 15% discount and my ballpark calculations would be not including shipping:

                                    $399 - $60 discount = USD$339
                                    add Shipping on bulk order = USD$???
                                    $339 * $1.51 (2020-May-30 xe.com) = AUD$510
                                    $515 + 10% GST for import = $561
                                    $561 + 20% FX variance/margin/storage = $675
                                    $675 + 10% wholesale GST = $745

                                    It sounds about right and for me as a VAR, I get that wholesale GST back when I sell to the client. I guess Australia has simplified the taxes compared to other countries.

                                    @JeGr said in Time always slow 2.4.5:

                                    Don't know if the shop you checked auto-included VAT, import taxes and/or shipping - just sayin' :)

                                    Yup, those prices are exlcuding, so add another 10% on top of $750. So its a nice margin to be sitting on based on the above assumptions.

                                    Bintang anyone? Im sure its a rebranded Heinekan.

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