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    How to PREVENT ISP from ACCESSING my PFSENSE?

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    • noplanN
      noplan @AKEGEC
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      @C3G3K4 said in How to PREVENT ISP from ACCESSING my PFSENSE?:

      Belgacom Mobile N.V.

      53.3% + 1 share state owned ..... so far far away from a governmental controlled ISP

      its just a european thing to own part of the critical infra structure

      but as the folks here (@JKnott @johnpoz @Rico ) mentioned
      They can't access pfSense or your networks behind it.

      ... or as I would add unless you opend your wif on WAN:443 ;)

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @AKEGEC
        last edited by johnpoz

        @C3G3K4 said in How to PREVENT ISP from ACCESSING my PFSENSE?:

        That being said, no software in this world is 100% attack proof.

        And who ever suggested such a thing? There is a huge difference between an exploitable issue, or lack of security configuration, bug or flaw in a protocol that becomes an attack vector to be exploited.. But that is a far cry for there is an "on purpose" backdoor embedded in code of the device/software by the maker in cahoots with some foreign government or agency or for that matter some nefarious cabal.

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        • noplanN
          noplan @johnpoz
          last edited by

          @johnpoz said in How to PREVENT ISP from ACCESSING my PFSENSE?:

          And who ever suggested such a thing? There is a huge difference between an exploitable issue, or lack of security configuration, bug or flaw in a protocol that becomes an attack vector to be exploited.. But that is a far cry for there is an "on purpose" backdoor embedded in code of the device/software by the maker in cahoots with some foreign government or agency or for that matter some nefarious cabal.

          as a matter of fact
          I COULD NOT AGREE MORE WITH YOU ON THIS !
          damn thats a TRUE STATEMENT !

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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            What I find hilarious about these sorts of threads.. The last one that thought that pfsense was in cahoots with Belgium or the whole EU.

            Was that he was seeing some log entries for root via 127.0.0.1 that he did not understand, so yeah the obvious and clear as day explanation is that his ISP was logging into his device via some backdoor that was put in place.

            Lets put our tinfoil hats on as tight as possible, I mean really tighten that sucker down so it cuts off the blood flow.. And lets say pfsense is a member of some new world order cabal, or working with the CIA/NSA/MI6/BND/VSSE/MOSSAD or anything of the like..

            Who is the clod setting up this secret backdoor - that was so stupid they couldn't get their backdoor not to log that access was used? I mean really!!

            Lets say this secret agency / government wanted to track you.. For the life of me why? Would be my first question - you into some kiddie p0rn shit? You plotting to over throw the government? Maybe your about ready to out their secret cabal? Do you really think they would have need to be in cahoots of some open source firewall to track you? Or would they just install some tracking software right on your devices directly.. There might be a camera in your toilet.. Your best friend of 20 years is prob a sleeper agent they could just activate him ;)

            But you know what - your going to thwart all their secret spying by making sure your dns doesn't leak ;)

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            • ?
              A Former User @johnpoz
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              @johnpoz said in How to PREVENT ISP from ACCESSING my PFSENSE?:

              But you know what - your going to thwart all their secret spying by making sure your dns doesn't leak ;)

              LMAO

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              • Bob.DigB
                Bob.Dig LAYER 8 @johnpoz
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                @johnpoz said in How to PREVENT ISP from ACCESSING my PFSENSE?:

                by making sure your dns doesn't leak ;)

                And moving it over to cloudflare and using https for it. ;)

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                  Yeah because cloudflare which a huge % of the whole internet flows through - they would never work with any government agencies :) ROFL..

                  Nor have any interest in monetizing the info they have access too ;)

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                    4o4rh @johnpoz
                    last edited by 4o4rh

                    @johnpoz

                    @johnpoz said in How to PREVENT ISP from ACCESSING my PFSENSE?:

                    It really is a pretty out there claim, that the EU - which has some of the highest levels of user privacy requirements on the planet. You can not do this or that with user data, you can not collect it, without specific disclosure of what your collecting and what your doing with it.

                    But then would also have requirements that the government/ISPs has backdoor access into every device connected to the internet?

                    I mean really?? This akin to saying the government has been putting fluoride in the water for mind control purposes.. Or that the whole covid thing is a plot to implant micro-chips into everyone and its all bill gates behind it ;)

                    don't believe in myths. a whistle blower came out in 2015 on an investigative journalism program in the EU and detailed the installation of routing equipment for their national intelligence services on behalf of the NSA, routing all the country's meta data to the NSA and said intelligence org. It is also lawful for the intelligence & police services of said country to install malware on your equipment for the purposes of intelligence gathering....so anyone who relies on the established legal framework and fake privacy...is naive or a fool. in same country a private company happily obtains your personal details from the local council so they can extort a tv license fee from you.....where is your privacy protection there ;-)

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                    • JKnottJ
                      JKnott @4o4rh
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                      @gwaitsi

                      Monitoring traffic in transit is quite different from accessing your firewall. As for monitoring circuits, that's not that hard to do. Any tech working in a telecom central office, as I used to, can do it and there are many other points where circuits may be available for interception. Things are a bit more difficult these days with IP etc., but not impossible. That's why you're supposed to use end to end encryption if you want to keep things private.

                      What really gets me are the medical and legal professions insisting on using FAX, because they think it's secure. Yeah, right. For example, in many places phone lines are not hard to get to and are usually tagged with the phone number. You may recall the old "Winmodems" from back in the dark ages, where the modem relied on software loaded from the computer. It wouldn't take much for a knowledgeable person to modify one of those to monitor a FAX connection. The FAX machine ID is easily spoofed and one thing I did years ago, when I got a FAX modem, was I faxed myself a sheet with my signature on it, so I could cut 'n paste my signature onto a document, as though I had actually signed it, before faxing it out. Yep, really secure.

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                      • JKnottJ
                        JKnott @JKnott
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                        @JKnott

                        Here's another example of great security. I recently filled out a form on line. In the past, it would have been signed and mailed in. Now, it's considered "digitally signed", if you just type your name in the box. My understanding of a digital signature is to use X.509 certificates and encryption. You can also use PGP or GPG.

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                        i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                        UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                        • AKEGECA
                          AKEGEC
                          last edited by

                          Everyone deserves security!

                          Security means protection of a person, building, organization, or country against threats such as crime or attacks.

                          For example, you will not get robbed when you go to your local supermarket.

                          I think people in this forum are missing the real point, it does not matter how you got robbed (by brute force, hidden backdoors, sniffing), but what has been taken from you and your family.. security and privacy.

                          @powersing, make sure your physical hardwares are not infected and google how to secure/hardening firmware BIOS/UEFI. Usually bad people are focusing on your UEFI to remote your os/pfsense.

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                          • ?
                            A Former User
                            last edited by

                            Facebook is a better venue for fact free fear mongering. Just saying...

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                            • JKnottJ
                              JKnott @A Former User
                              last edited by

                              @jwj

                              But don't forget your tinfoil hat. 😉

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                              i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                              UniFi AC-Lite access point

                              I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                              • provelsP
                                provels @JKnott
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                                @JKnott
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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by

                                  Ok this is going nowhere useful. Locking it.

                                  Suffice to say that an ISP may well have some access to their device at your end of the connection and that might include everything on the private side of it.

                                  But that doesn't mean they have access to anything beyond the pfSense WAN if that is inside it.

                                  Steve

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