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    • PippinP Offline
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      @stephenw10 said in Unable to access any network that uses the same ISP as I do:

      Are you actually receiving a public IP when you do that?

      Why I said:

      @Pippin said in Unable to access any network that uses the same ISP as I do:

      Try disabling RFC1918 rule.

      Would still be interesting to see a traceroute.....

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      • AKEGECA Offline
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        @jdogtotherescue, I think Steve knows more about the US internet and law. I am not sure what happened when someone already got warned and flagged by US ISP. I did hear about spending time in jail because of torrenting. If you are torrenting, how about using a VPN provider outside the USA and EU juristic like Nordvpn in Panama. Anyway if you want to know about ISP, watch last week Joe Rogan interview with Edward Snowden.

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          @AKEGEC

          Jail is pretty severe if all they did is violate the Terms of Service. Sharing an Internet connection is considered theft of service. Torrents are in themselves not illegal, unless the content is, but may violate an ISPs ToS. Was that guy who got jail for a torrent doing something like pirating movies?

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          • stephenw10S Offline
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @AKEGEC
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            @AKEGEC said in Unable to access any network that uses the same ISP as I do:

            I think Steve knows more about the US internet and law.

            Probably not, I'm in the UK. 😉

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            • AKEGECA Offline
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              @Steve, I thought you lived in the US.
              @JKnott, I forgot but I think it was about a man who bought movies legally and shared. A case of a thin line between sharing and pirating. Anyway it is sad to see ISP companies are becoming more powerful and abusive.

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                @AKEGEC

                "Sharing" is theft. Also, the ISPs are forced to do it by the movie studios.

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                  @JKnott said in Unable to access any network that uses the same ISP as I do:

                  @AKEGEC

                  "Sharing" is theft. Also, the ISPs are forced to do it by the movie studios.

                  20 years ago if you said you don not believe your ISP, people would call you paranoid and 10 years ago if you said you used a VPN provider, people would also call you a criminal (pirate, pedophile).
                  You need ISP for your internet access but that does not mean ISP has the right to take over your family, friends and yours security and privacy rights.

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                    JKnott @AKEGEC
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                    @AKEGEC

                    "Sharing" movies etc. was theft long before there was an Internet. Movies, TVs shows, records, books and more have long been covered by copyright laws. I have no idea what you mean by your post.

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                    • GertjanG Offline
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                      @AKEGEC : check out the consumer rights and other usage conditions of your ISP.
                      When signing up, you agree with them.

                      An ISP has no interest about using or selling private things of a user. Eventually, always, some one will find out .... and then the ISP will die - go out of business.

                      Btw : if a major knows that a ISP knows (or is able to see) that a ISP client shares private info (the movie) then the major will probably 'attack' the ISP. Because it's just a simple fact knows as 'stealing'.
                      So, ISP's will reference to local laws, and some own laws (selling conditions) like "one shall not try to lauch nukes that do not belong to you ...".

                      Also : when you share an Internet connection you have to trust the person(s) who you share with.
                      Like sharing your car.
                      Your house.
                      No trust ? Abuse ? Simple. Don't share - issue closed.

                      @AKEGEC said in Unable to access any network that uses the same ISP as I do:

                      but that does not mean ISP has the right to take over your family, friends and yours security and privacy rights

                      Humm. I'm living in Europe. So basic human rights are part of our (ancient) constitution. They have tried everything in Europe for the last 20 (or more ?) centuries. We hold the absolute world record of trying out different types of societies -and the quantity of people that perished because of it is daunting - still, something like voting (democracy) was already created before the birth of Christ, somewhere in Greece.
                      Because the system wasn't perfect, some 3 centuries ago, people had a opportunity to leave (instead of simply not being happy : they went oversees and created the USA while doing so).

                      What I mean : I have the luxury to say that I don't understand your remark.

                      My ISP is like my boss, land lord, tax services, my bank, water company, my electric company, assurances, the food I buy, my car .... and what the f**k, my own wife.
                      My ISP ? Ah, common on, that is the new one on the block, w'll see about that one. Let's deal with the others first, as they were there first. ^^

                      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                        We are getting off topic here. 😉

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                          Yah think ;) hehehe

                          And yet to get any info worth anything.

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                            @Gertjan said in Unable to access any network that uses the same ISP as I do:

                            @AKEGEC : check out the consumer rights and other usage conditions of your ISP.
                            When signing up, you agree with them.

                            An ISP has no interest about using or selling private things of a user. Eventually, always, some one will find out .... and then the ISP will die - go out of business.

                            Btw : if a major knows that a ISP knows (or is able to see) that a ISP client shares private info (the movie) then the major will probably 'attack' the ISP. Because it's just a simple fact knows as 'stealing'.
                            So, ISP's will reference to local laws, and some own laws (selling conditions) like "one shall not try to lauch nukes that do not belong to you ...".

                            Also : when you share an Internet connection you have to trust the person(s) who you share with.
                            Like sharing your car.
                            Your house.
                            No trust ? Abuse ? Simple. Don't share - issue closed.

                            @AKEGEC said in Unable to access any network that uses the same ISP as I do:

                            but that does not mean ISP has the right to take over your family, friends and yours security and privacy rights

                            Humm. I'm living in Europe. So basic human rights are part of our (ancient) constitution. They have tried everything in Europe for the last 20 (or more ?) centuries. We hold the absolute world record of trying out different types of societies -and the quantity of people that perished because of it is daunting - still, something like voting (democracy) was already created before the birth of Christ, somewhere in Greece.
                            Because the system wasn't perfect, some 3 centuries ago, people had a opportunity to leave (instead of simply not being happy : they went oversees and created the USA while doing so).

                            What I mean : I have the luxury to say that I don't understand your remark.

                            My ISP is like my boss, land lord, tax services, my bank, water company, my electric company, assurances, the food I buy, my car .... and what the f**k, my own wife.
                            My ISP ? Ah, common on, that is the new one on the block, w'll see about that one. Let's deal with the others first, as they were there first. ^^

                            Well we have a different opinion about that and that’s ok. However you'll definitely agree with me on this one;

                            You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. 😴

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                              @AKEGEC said in Unable to access any network that uses the same ISP as I do:

                              Well we have a different opinion about that and that’s ok.

                              All of it ?

                              No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                              Edit : and where are the logs ??

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