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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      Ah, OK you're not using mpd at all.
      It looks like you're manually setting an interface IP and gateway though. Obviously the server you connect to should pass that to you. Does that not happen if you omit that?

      It does look like the modem itself is working fine and this is just a problem with the init script.

      Steve

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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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        @jcarver81 said in Sierra MC7354 LTE for WAN:

        set ipcp ranges

        This value in your conf might be preventing it negotiate. If you check the man page:
        http://mpd.sourceforge.net/doc/mpd26.html

        You'll see it is only allowing the remote side to be 10.64.64.0, though it's /0 so that should be any IP.....

        But when it comes up using the custom ppp conf file presumably the remote gateway is 10.0.0.2?

        Steve

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          jcarver81
          last edited by

          Correct. I'm able to establish a connection using PPP and it works using the config I posted. The config was found on a FreeBSD forum for this specific LTE card. The set ifaddr line is a default from FreeBSD's /etc/ppp/ppp.conf as far as I am aware which enables the provider to set the IP upon connection.

          If the IP address changes whenever a connection is made, change this line to the following value. This tells ppp(8) to use the IP Configuration Protocol (IPCP) to negotiate a dynamic IP address:

set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.255 0.0.0.0

          I'm no expert in FreeBSD obviously. Can you see what I would need to do within pfSense to get this working with the information I have provided?

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            jcarver81
            last edited by

            Those values in mpd_wan.conf are set by the pfSense GUI. I did not see an option to select anything regarding IP addressing in the GUI.

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by

              My own connection here also uses that config line but it does come up with that gateway:

              ppp0: flags=88d1<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,NOARP,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1492
	description: 3GWAN
	inet6 fe80::208:a2ff:fe0c:bba%ppp0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x10
	inet 188.29.x.xxx --> 10.64.64.0 netmask 0xffffffff
	nd6 options=21<PERFORMNUD,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>

              When you use your custom ppp file what IP does it actually come up as?

              Steve

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                You can use an entirely custom mpd conf file by creating: /conf/mpd_wan.conf.

                pfSense will use that in preference to the auto created file in /var.

                Steve

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                  jcarver81
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                  from /var/log/ppp.log

                  Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: Phase: Using interface: tun0
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: Phase: deflink: Created in closed state
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: ident user-ppp VERSION
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set device /dev/cuaU0.2
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set timeout 180
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set speed 921600
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set dial ABORT BUSY TIMEOUT 3         ""         AT OK-AT-OK         AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK         AT+CMEE=2 OK-AT-OK         AT+CSQ OK         AT+CGDCONT=1,\"IP\",\"fast.t-mobile.com\" OK         ATD*99# CONNECT
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set timeout 180
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: enable dns
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: resolv writable
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: add default HISADDR
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: ident user-ppp VERSION
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set device /dev/cuaU0.2
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set timeout 180
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set speed 921600
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set dial ABORT BUSY TIMEOUT 3         ""         AT OK-AT-OK         AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK         AT+CMEE=2 OK-AT-OK         AT+CSQ OK         AT+CGDCONT=1,\"IP\",\"fast.t-mobile.com\" OK         ATD*99# CONNECT
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set timeout 180
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: enable dns
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: resolv writable
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41290]: tun0: Command: default: add default HISADDR
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: PPP Started (ddial mode).
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected!
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Expect(3): OK
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: AT^M^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT+CFUN=1^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Expect(3): OK
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: AT+CFUN=1^M^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT+CMEE=2^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Expect(3): OK
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: AT+CMEE=2^M^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT+CSQ^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Expect(3): OK
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: AT+CSQ^M^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: +CSQ: 17,99^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: ^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","fast.t-mobile.com"^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Expect(3): OK
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","fast.t-mobile.com"^M^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Send: ATD*99#^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Expect(3): CONNECT
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: ATD*99#^M^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Chat: Received: CONNECT 100000000^M
Nov  6 09:47:36 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier
Nov  6 09:47:37 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: /dev/cuaU0.2: CD detected
Nov  6 09:47:37 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> login
Nov  6 09:47:37 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: login -> lcp
Nov  6 09:47:37 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport
Nov  6 09:47:37 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed
Nov  6 09:47:37 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Stopped
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerStart
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Stopped
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  MRU[4] 1500
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0xe7eed2ec
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped --> Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05)
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0x52daca5e
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(2) state = Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05)
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0x52daca5e
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(1) state = Ack-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  MRU[4] 1500
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0xe7eed2ec
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Ack-Sent --> Opened
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerUp
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(0) state = Opened
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM e7eed2ec
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  TEXT user-ppp 3.4.2
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Authenticate
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: his = CHAP 0x05, mine = none
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvDiscardReq(3) state = Opened
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: Chap Input: CHALLENGE (16 bytes from UMTS_CHAP_SRVR)
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: Chap Output: RESPONSE ()
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: Chap Input: SUCCESS
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: Using trigger address 0.0.0.0
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP: deflink: LayerStart.
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP: MPPE: Not usable without CHAP81
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Closed
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP:  DEFLATE[4] win 15
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP:  PRED1[2] 
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: deflink: lcp -> open
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Network
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerStart.
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Closed
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  PRIDNS[6] 8.8.8.8
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  SECDNS[6] 255.255.255.255
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvProtocolRej(4) state = Opened
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: -- Protocol 0x80fd (Compression Control Protocol) was rejected!
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Stopped
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(0) state = Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:   [EMPTY]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigNak(0) state = Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  IPADDR[6] 10.0.0.2
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigRej(1) state = Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(1) state = Opened
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM e7eed2ec
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: LCP:  TEXT user-ppp 3.4.2
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  PRIDNS[6] 8.8.8.8
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  SECDNS[6] 255.255.255.255
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(1) state = Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:   [EMPTY]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(1) state = Req-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:   [EMPTY]
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigNak(2) state = Ack-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  IPADDR[6] 29.138.211.50
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  IPADDR[6] changing address: 0.0.0.0  --> 29.138.211.50
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  PRIDNS[6] 10.177.0.34
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  SECDNS[6] 10.177.0.210
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: Primary nameserver set to 10.177.0.34
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: Secondary nameserver set to 10.177.0.210
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(3) state = Ack-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  IPADDR[6] 29.138.211.50
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  PRIDNS[6] 10.177.0.34
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  SECDNS[6] 10.177.0.210
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(3) state = Ack-Sent
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  IPADDR[6] 29.138.211.50
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  PRIDNS[6] 10.177.0.34
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP:  SECDNS[6] 10.177.0.210
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Ack-Sent --> Opened
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerUp.
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: IPCP: myaddr 29.138.211.50 hisaddr = 10.0.0.2
Nov  6 09:47:38 pfSense ppp[41479]: tun0: Warning: ff02::/: Change route failed: errno: Network is unreachable
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                    jcarver81
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                    ifconfig

                    tun0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
	options=80000<LINKSTATE>
	inet 29.138.211.50 --> 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffff00
	nd6 options=21<PERFORMNUD,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
	groups: tun
	Opened by PID 41479
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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      Ok, so maybe try creating the custom file in /conf and setting the remote address to 10.0.0.2/0 there.
                      Both are /0 so it should allow any IP from either but it's a difference....

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                        jcarver81
                        last edited by

                        Same result. About to order a Mofi4500 and just use the pfSense strictly as a firewall at this point. It shouldn't be this difficult to configure an LTE modem. Especially one that is on the "Supported 3g/4g Modem" list.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          I certainly wouldn't expect it to be given the right settings.

                          You will likely get better throughput from an external modem anyway though.

                          Steve

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                            canhtuongvinh
                            last edited by

                            Hi, I'm using the MC7354 module but I can't figure it out how to solve this, can you guys help me out?

                            Do I need to reflash the module?

                            Sep 29 19:16:48	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] CHAT: The modem is not responding to "AT" at ModemCmd: label.
Sep 29 19:16:48	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] MODEM: chat script failed
Sep 29 19:16:49	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] Link: DOWN event
Sep 29 19:16:49	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] LCP: Down event
Sep 29 19:16:49	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] Link: reconnection attempt 18 in 2 seconds
Sep 29 19:16:52	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] Link: reconnection attempt 18
Sep 29 19:17:05	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] CHAT: The modem is not responding to "AT" at ModemCmd: label.
Sep 29 19:17:05	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] MODEM: chat script failed
Sep 29 19:17:06	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] Link: DOWN event
Sep 29 19:17:06	ppp	56539	[opt1_link0] LCP: Down event
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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @canhtuongvinh
                              last edited by

                              @canhtuongvinh said in Sierra MC7354 LTE for WAN:

                              CHAT: The modem is not responding to "AT"

                              The port you're using is not configured as an AT interface. Try one of the other ports.

                              But please keep this in one thread. It might be better to start a new thread than these older ones.

                              Steve

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