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    • stephenw10S Offline
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      If the remote routers are the server end they won't do anything if the client disconnects.

      Is pfSense the client end of the tunnels?

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        mercy_angel @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10 On the router end we put client cert, if thats your question?

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          bingo600
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          EDIT: The below would only work if you are using SSL/TLS with /30 network topology

          If the server(s) is on the "Central pfSense" , and the remote shops are "Clients". You might be able to do some "scripted" changes to the servers in the central end.

          I suppose you have added a new subnet , that is available on/via the central end ?
          And want to as another ipv4 remote network to the central server, for the specific shop:

          75da93ec-cb9c-491a-b92d-0e81f34c3b8e-image.png

          But messing with your pfsense config file , especially on the pfsense it self. Could be a "heartbeat raising event".

          If i had several hundreds i might try to download the config as xml (make a work copy), and give a search/replace a go.

          But you would need to upload it as a "new" config , and the pfSense would reboot (downtime).

          If the change had to be done on anything but the central pfSense .. I'd say manual work.

          /Bingo

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            mercy_angel @bingo600
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            @bingo600 said in change local networks for all openvpn servers:

            If the server(s) is on the "Central pfSense" , and the remote shops are "Clients". You might be able to do some "scripted" changes to the servers in the central end.

            I suppose you have added a new subnet , that is available on/via the central end ?
            And want to as another ipv4 remote network to the central server, for the specific shop:

            75da93ec-cb9c-491a-b92d-0e81f34c3b8e-image.png

            But messing with your pfsense config file , especially on the pfsense it self. Could be a "heartbeat raising event".

            If i had several hundreds i might try to download the config as xml (make a work copy), and give a search/replace a go.

            But you would need to upload it as a "new" config , and the pfSense would reboot (downtime).

            If the change had to be done on anything but the central pfSense .. I'd say manual work.

            /Bingo

            I want to add into IPv4 Local network(s), Remote network is subnet of the shop (all shop has their subnet)

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            • stephenw10S Offline
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              Yes if pfSense is the server end of these tunnels you might be able to push new routes IF the tunnels are SSL/TLS. Which is sounds like they are if you used certs.

              I would certainly not have used individual tunnels to each router though.

              Steve

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                mercy_angel @stephenw10
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                @stephenw10 I am not using ipsec. Router have openvpn with pfsense server from which i reach any subnet i want via routes from switch. So remote shop via openvpn instance have access to subnets.

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                • bingo600B Offline
                  bingo600 @mercy_angel
                  last edited by bingo600

                  @mercy_angel said in change local networks for all openvpn servers:

                  I want to add into IPv4 Local network(s), Remote network is subnet of the shop (all shop has their subnet)

                  EDIT: The below would only work if you are using SSL/TLS with /30 network topology

                  What i showed was my Central Server OpenVPN definition.
                  And the "remote networks" announced to the Client OpenVPN.

                  This would often be the same announced networks to all clients.
                  As it is the ip nets of the Central/Main site.

                  If you had to do it manually , would you have to do the change on the openvpn defined on the pfsense in all the shops ?

                  Or would you have to do the changes on the same pfSense box , and change it in every instance of the OpenVPN servers defined for the shops ?

                  All changes on the same box , or changes on all remote boxes ?

                  This is the xml tag you would search for tn the config file.

                  <remote_network>192.168.1.0/24, 10.1.0.0/16</remote_network>
                  

                  But as mentioned earlier , it would only make sense if you have to change everything on the same box (config file)

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                    mercy_angel @bingo600
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                    @bingo600 said in change local networks for all openvpn servers:

                    @mercy_angel said in change local networks for all openvpn servers:

                    I want to add into IPv4 Local network(s), Remote network is subnet of the shop (all shop has their subnet)

                    What i showed was my Central Server OpenVPN definition.
                    And the "remote networks" announced to the Client OpenVPN.

                    This would often be the same announced networks to all clients.
                    As it is the ip nets of the Central/Main site.

                    If you had to do it manually , would you have to do the change on the openvpn defined on the pfsense in all the shops ?

                    Or would you have to do the changes on the same pfSense box , and change it in every instance of the OpenVPN servers defined for the shops ?

                    All changes on the same box , or changes on all remote boxes ?

                    This is the xml tag you would search for tn the config file.

                    <remote_network>192.168.1.0/24, 10.1.0.0/16</remote_network>
                    

                    But as mentioned earlier , it would only make sense if you have to change everything on the same box (config file)

                    i will enter each server in OPENVPN and one by one add that subnet.

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                    • bingo600B Offline
                      bingo600 @mercy_angel
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                      @mercy_angel said in change local networks for all openvpn servers:

                      i will enter each server in OPENVPN and one by one add that subnet.

                      And where would you do that ?

                      On the same pfSense box , or on each "shop box" ?

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                      • stephenw10S Offline
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @mercy_angel
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                        @mercy_angel said in change local networks for all openvpn servers:

                        I am not using ipsec.

                        I never suggested you were.

                        OpenVPN can operate using pre-shared key or SSL/TLS with certificates.

                        If you are using SSL/TLS and you have a subnet style topology (>/30) then the client will pull the routing and tunnel details from the server each time it connects. That means you can add new values at the server end without having to make changes at the remote client end.

                        You could have all your clients connecting to a single server, or a just a few servers, which would make this much easier.

                        Steve

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                          bingo600 @stephenw10
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                          @stephenw10 said in change local networks for all openvpn servers:

                          If you are using SSL/TLS and you have a subnet style topology (>/30) then the client will pull the routing and tunnel details from the server each time it connects.

                          Whoopzz
                          I'm using SSL/TLS w. Certs & /30

                          I thought all the setups pulled routes from the server end šŸ¤•

                          I could easily have lead the OP on a wild goose chase.
                          Once again . Assumptions are the ..... all FSCK'ups

                          Sorry

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                          • stephenw10S Offline
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by stephenw10

                            Yup I have fallen into that trap more than once! šŸ˜‰

                            The OP here looks to be using /29 though so it should be pulling details. It might have been setup specifically to do this since using /29 is just a waste of IP space.

                            Makes things more complex though as you need iroutes etc.

                            https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/vpn/openvpn/configure.html#ipv4-ipv6-tunnel-network

                            Steve

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                              mercy_angel @stephenw10
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                              @stephenw10 Mikrotik have some issue with /30 mask, cant remember why.
                              if someone know, this is how we connect when apply certificate

                              /interface ovpn-client
                              add add-default-route=no  auth=sha1 certificate=remoteSHOP_cert.crt_0 cipher=aes128 connect-to=PFSENSE_IP disabled=no  max-mtu=1500 mode=ip name=ovpn-out1 password="" port=1671 profile=default user=any
                              

                              So its client based on mikrotik, and one remote shop have their own pfsense ovpn server and client certification.

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                              • stephenw10S Offline
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                                Ok, so that is an SSL/TLS connection and you can see there is no tunnel IP or routing info at the client, it is pulled from the server each time it connects.

                                So if you need the remote clients to be able to access a new subnet at the server end you just need to add it to the 'IPv4 Local Networks' field in the server.

                                As long as the firewall rules are the server end allow it they will be able to reach it the next time they reconnect. And they should reconnect automatically when you make that change since it will restart the server.

                                Steve

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                                  mercy_angel @stephenw10
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                                  @stephenw10 Yeah, i know that when i put new subnet it will affect immediately. So i have a two questions. First, there is no script or something to put new subnet or create new xml is the only way? Second, is there a timer for connection period? So when I restart pfsense, not all servers come online, I must some restart service mannualy. Is there a wait time for that? Some locations i leave all night and they not connect, so it past a couple of hours.

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                                  • stephenw10S Offline
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                    No there is nothing like that included in pfSense. The expected setup with a large number of remote sites connecting via OpenVPN is to use a single server and CSOs for each site. Thus changes can be made to all remote sites by changing that one server.
                                    If you actually have hundreds of remote sites you might want to use several server instances to spread the load at the server end since OpenVPN is single threaded.

                                    By default OpenVPN clients will use a keep-alive ping to the server and will restart if the server stops responding after 60s.

                                    Steve

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                                      mercy_angel @stephenw10
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                                      @stephenw10 than how openvpn didn't connect until I manually restart service?

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                                      • stephenw10S Offline
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                                        Impossible to say, you'd have to check the logs at the client end. What are the remote clients?

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                                          mercy_angel @stephenw10
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                                          @stephenw10 I cant test it right now, because i must then restart all server, but next time when i must do it, i will test it, but from the last time, the routers didnt connect its self. Only restart router or service on status openvpn.
                                          I cant figure out does it have some timer or what is default value for that.

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                                          • stephenw10S Offline
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            The client side can choose to reject everything the server sends including the timeout values.

                                            What are those remote routers? How are they configured?

                                            You should think about moving to a more rational setup with multiple clients connecting to a single (or few) server. Changes like this would be far easier.

                                            Steve

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