J1900 performance
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@jknott are you saying the Quotom is significantly slower, or the linksys/openwrt is slower. If you mean the Quotom, the J1900 is a Quad Core system, where as the link you provided is for dual core systems.
The N3160 would be the newer version supporting AES
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001510522500.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1cc77f2dQx5UvI&algo_pvid=42cfd0b7-04d1-45bf-a0e9-67003baac53e&algo_expid=42cfd0b7-04d1-45bf-a0e9-67003baac53e-0&btsid=0b0a182b16101780984958676ebf55&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_or the i5-8250 for slightly more up market
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001813291053.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.12.511b33e9w3Cnpd -
@gwaitsi
AFAIK the WRT54G has a 400MHz MIPS processor, and using their default firmware. I had around 30Mb/s speed through it, when in use. That was ok back in 2004 when it was released.
The Qotom will outperform it by a factor 10 or more.
I'm using the i3-7100U at work, w 64GB disk + 8 GB Ram
Excellent OpenVPN performance (that i need at work)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32970672528.htmlBut they seem to have gotten a notch up in price, ISTR i payed ~330$ last summer.
I like my "home" Qotoms" too , but would prob go for the 6-Port i3-7100, if i had to get a new one.
Both of my tested models will do 1Gbit/s wo. probs.
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I'm also considering the Netgate SG-1100. Will it support 500 Mb download? Also, are updates for it free? Or do they require a subscription or service plan?
tnx jk
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I have an Supermicro X10SBA paid 110$ in 2018.
I run pfSense on Proxmoc with 2 cores and 2 GB of RAM with pfBlock NG and it never uses more than 50% of RAM and less than 30% of CPU.
I have a cable 100/30.
Pretty satisfied.
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That appears to be just a mom board, with memory, disk, cabinet etc. extra. There are other Qotom devices available that may be better. For example the one I linked to has those AES NI instructions used for encryption. Also, is that $110 U.S.? The device I linked to is in $Cdn.
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@jknott said in J1900 performance:
That appears to be just a mom board, with memory, disk, cabinet etc. extra. There are other Qotom devices available that may be better. For example the one I linked to has those AES NI instructions used for encryption. Also, is that $110 U.S.? The device I linked to is in $Cdn.
Yes, it was 110 C$ and yes, it was just the board.
I bought that to build an Hakai music server (https://www.lejonklou.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10&sid=7061995857ec1c9230394738b3f17fab) but I abandonned the project.
In a pandemic situation, one is in need of projects so I decided to try pfSense and replace my DD-WRT router.
My only downside with this board is that it has only two NICs.
If I were in search of new H/W specific for pfSense, I would probably go the Protecli way or even a Netgate product to encourage the development.
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@ninthwave said in J1900 performance:
My only downside with this board is that it has only two NICs
Those Qoton systems have 4 NICs and the Netgate, 3. However, if the Netgate requires some support program just to get updates, I won't bother with it.
The old computer was a HP 5150, which I bought refurb around 10 years ago, for $200. I originally ran Linux on it for my firewall router, but when my ISP started providing IPv6 and required support for DHCPv6-PD, to get the prefix, I switched to pfsense. For 6 years previous, I got IPv6 via a 6in4 tunnel, which worked will with Linux.
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I was referring to the Linksys, as I don't have a Qotom yet. It was a HP 5150 computer that failed.
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A lot of intriguing info here. Iām am looking to jump to Pfsense but not sure what hardware to go to yep. I have fiber to the home (1Gb/1Gb) and my FW does all my PPPOE. I currently have a J1900 Supermicro running Sophos UTM and with only firewall running, I have seen as high as 980 down and up. That was the NIU plugged right into my FW handling PPPOE wan side then into a TP Link managed switch then my PC all links Gb. I donāt run IPS or IDS as that cuts speed in half.
So two questions. What is the PPPOE issue referenced above?
And what hardware for PfSense can handle FW/IPS/IDS and maintain near Gb line speed?
Thanks!
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Short answer: Any Intel Core CPU with an Intel NIC. IMHO
Long answer:
I am using an old PC with an Intel 4 port NIC. Speed tests do not see a real difference behind pfSense or just my ATT router. I am not running any packages, just some rules.fiber -> ATT Router -> pfSense = about 980 up and down @20% CPU.
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz
4 CPUs: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 hardware threads
AES-NI CPU Crypto: NoUsing proper placement of PCs I did push it to around 1.7Gb, but ran out of desire to test further. Still did not make it busy.
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It's this: https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/hardware/tune.html#pppoe-with-multi-queue-nics
The igb NICs in the J1900 could normally have 4 queues and all 4 cores servicing them. But with PPPoE all frames are sent to the same queue so only one core can service it. The single core performance of the J1900 is not that special. You won't see 1G over PPPoE using it with anything FreeBSD based.
Steve
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@andyrh thank you!
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@stephenw10 said in J1900 performance:
It's this: https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/hardware/tune.html#pppoe-with-multi-queue-nics
The igb NICs in the J1900 could normally have 4 queues and all 4 cores servicing them. But with PPPoE all frames are sent to the same queue so only one core can service it. The single core performance of the J1900 is not that special. You won't see 1G over PPPoE using it with anything FreeBSD based.
Steve
Thank you! So this is a FreeBSD thing? Just dipping my toe into PfSense so itās educational. Do the i210 nics help with this at all? The Sophos thing Iāve been doing these last 5 years is Linux based I think.
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Yes, it's a FreeBSD issue. There are no NICs I'm aware of that can hash the PPPoE frames with the on-board hardware.
The J1900 also seems to have worse than expected throughput even allowing for this. Not really sure why.
Steve.
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@azcoyote yes it's freebsd. there are some kernel settings to change its behavior to be more like the way linux does it, but there have been not a lot of reports because (frankly) PPPoE is stupid for last mile connectivity and most ISPs have moved away from it--so there aren't a lot of people to play with it, and those that are left and using pfsense have mostly moved on to other hardware. (Talking about net.isr.dispatch=deferred and net.isr.maxthreads=-1)
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@vamike "PPPoE is stupid for last mile connectivity" --> agreed
"most ISPs have moved away from it--so there aren't a lot of people to play with it" --> completely disagree; depends on what is your personal experience in your country with your ISP. In my country, the biggest Gbit fiber ISP uses PppoE, and they dont advertise when they gonna abandon it. So its still an issue for a lot of people.
Pcengines Apu2-3-4-5-6 are still sold in 2021, so if that's the choice of hardware for anybody as a home router for their Gigabit PppoE WAN, they will still face this bottleneck even in 2021 February.
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Yeah, that is very location dependent. Here in the UK most soho level connections are DSL with PPPoE. None are Gigabit though so....
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@soder fair enough. I'll amend to "my ISP got rid of PPPoE when FTTH was still delivered via 100Mbps ethernet, so it doesn't matter to me". :)
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@stephenw10 said in J1900 performance:
Yeah, that is very location dependent. Here in the UK most soho level connections are DSL with PPPoE. None are Gigabit though so....
Hmmmm, CenturyLink in AZ does FTTH and itās still PPPoE. So until they get away from that, PfSense would not be the best answer for me? This is my 5 year hardware/software review to find something that will do 1 Gb throughout with IDS/IPS on. I may lean to the UniFi Dream Machine Pro at this rate if I cannot find a solution via PfSense or Sophos.
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If the CenturyLink FW is working at 1Gb, could you not just put the pfSense FW behind it? Let CenturyLink do the beloved PPPoE work and let pfSense do the rest.
I have ATT and I have to leave the ATT FW in-place for the connection to work. pfSense behind ATT and I still get better than 980Mbps. ( No IPS on pfSense)
