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    How to get pfSense WAN to accept VLAN 0

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      natbart @stephenw10
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      @stephenw10 will read up at provided link. Thank you for the continued engagement.

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        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @natbart
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        Just to point out - unifi doesn't make this as easy as made out to be..

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        They might support it on some versions of the controller software in some places - but like most applications 0 and 4095 are not really valid

        Is there a feature request for this? If there are ISPs that want/need this - and freebsd allows for it, etc. I would expect if there was a feature request for it - it would/could be looked at implementing in the gui as a check box, or something.

        But in 30 some years in the biz - sorry but setting vlan 0 is not a common thing.

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          natbart @johnpoz
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          @johnpoz having this as an option would be amazing. Would be simple than some of the other work arounds.

          Hard to believe others haven’t asked for it based on ATT also needing it (amongst other config). Not used what other ISPs are similarly config’ed.

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            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @natbart
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            I haven't combed through redmine yet - but yeah if you want/need this - then it should be submitted to redmine as a feature request..

            If it can be done, and there is desire for it - why would it not be implemented.

            But to be honest - I do believe part of the reason for such a deployment would be making it harder for isp customers to use non isp hardware.. Since setting vlan id 0 is not really something that is common

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              natbart @johnpoz
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              @johnpoz I configured in the initial USG config. Not using the controller software.

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                natbart @johnpoz
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                @johnpoz sorry, I am not sure who/ what Redmine is. This is my first post and I just got pfSense installed this week. I am very new to since. My initial excitement did fizzle somewhat when I ran into this issue.

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                  Cool_Corona
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                  Question:

                  Why not run it in transparent mode and let pfsense handle WAN??

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                    natbart @Cool_Corona
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                    @cool_corona not sure I understand what you mean. New to pfSense can you elaborate?

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                      Cool_Corona @natbart
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                      @natbart You put the Nokia in bridge mode and connect the pfsense WAN on RJ45.

                      Then handle WAN via DHCP to see if it works. And then you are rid of the USG

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                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                        As I understand it that is the plan here. But the ISP requires the traffic tagged as VLAN0 and pfSense does not currently have any way to set that.

                        Netgraph still defeating me!

                        Steve

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                          natbart @Cool_Corona
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                            natbart @Cool_Corona
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                            @cool_corona said in How to get pfSense WAN to accept VLAN 0:

                            @natbart You put the Nokia in bridge mode and connect the pfsense WAN on RJ45.

                            Then handle WAN via DHCP to see if it works. And then you are rid of the USG

                            thanks for the tip. As far as I know I have no access to the Nokia ONT. It is doing media conversion from Fiber to Ethernet and is otherwise a black box to the end-user.

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                              natbart @stephenw10
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                              @stephenw10 I appreciate any work you are attempting to do with Netgraph! I havent been able to dig into it any more myself.

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                                fresnoboy @natbart
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                                @natbart

                                If you look at the att netgraph scripts, they could be useful in solving the vlan0 issue. They handle that, but have a lot of other functions not needed in your case. You should be able to start with them and pare it down to pretty much nothing if you don't need the gateway auth bypass etc...

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                                  natbart @fresnoboy
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                                  @fresnoboy said in How to get pfSense WAN to accept VLAN 0:

                                  @natbart

                                  If you look at the att netgraph scripts, they could be useful in solving the vlan0 issue. They handle that, but have a lot of other functions not needed in your case. You should be able to start with them and pare it down to pretty much nothing if you don't need the gateway auth bypass etc...

                                  I did start looking into that, but there are more differences than similarities. It got me looking at Netgraph, but that is requiring some more learning. @stephenw10 was also graciously looking into netgraph.

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                                    Cool_Corona @natbart
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                                    @natbart said in How to get pfSense WAN to accept VLAN 0:

                                    @cool_corona said in How to get pfSense WAN to accept VLAN 0:

                                    @natbart You put the Nokia in bridge mode and connect the pfsense WAN on RJ45.

                                    Then handle WAN via DHCP to see if it works. And then you are rid of the USG

                                    thanks for the tip. As far as I know I have no access to the Nokia ONT. It is doing media conversion from Fiber to Ethernet and is otherwise a black box to the end-user.

                                    Try and plug the RJ45 directly into the WAN of pfsense and see if it works

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                                      natbart @Cool_Corona
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                                      @cool_corona it does nto work without a switch in between to strip the 802.1q headers (I believe this is the correct explanation). I am using a Cisco ESW54) small business switch.

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                                        JKnott @natbart
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                                        @natbart

                                        If that's what it takes to make it work, you can get a cheap 5 port switch (avoid TP-Link) to do that. You will also be able to configure it for port mirroring, so you have a handy point to run Wireshark.

                                        PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
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                                        UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                                          tquade @JKnott
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                                          @jknott I'm interested in your comment regarding tp-link product. I routinely use a TL-SG105E along with wireshark for network investigation and trouble shooting.

                                          Ted

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                                            JKnott @tquade
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                                            @tquade

                                            I do too. Did you follow my post about creating a data tap? I have mine configured to use port based VLANs, which doesn't seem to have the problems that tagged VLANs do.

                                            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                            I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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