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    A few questions from a newbie chimp....

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    • JKnottJ Offline
      JKnott @Comfy
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      @comfy said in A few questions from a newbie chimp....:

      will one of those little pfsense boxes outperform or match my 7010 and if so do they draw less power?

      I recently bought a Qotom mini PC and get great performance. It does better than HP desktop system it replaced. According to the ads, it draws about 15W.

      PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
      i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
      UniFi AC-Lite access point

      I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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        You need to use precise values, preferably in Mbps (mega bits per second).

        "43meg" could be a number of things which makes meaningful comparison hard.

        Either of those devices should be easily capable of passing 1Gbps. Though probably not with a USB NIC.

        Have you actually measured the Dell at 60W? That's quite high for a SFF device. It is probably massively over powered for your use though.

        The SG-1100 or SG-2100, which is probably what you're referring to, will not outperform an i7 with 16GB of ram! But you almost certainly don't need that. You would want at least the SG-3100 though if you plan to get a "Gigabit" service from your ISP. Probably an SG-5100 to be sure of passing that with traffic shaping enabled or packages running.

        Steve

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          Comfy @stephenw10
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          @stephenw10 Brilliant - thanks for all the replies....with regards to the 60w ive got a smart plug on the SFF and thats what its telling me....it is pretty heavy weight though...i7, 16gb of memory - i suspect thats quite a draw in itself..!

          Gigabit from the isp: while im not going for it myself they do tend to up the speed each year (or if i phone up at the end of my contract and try to negotiate for the coming year) so nice if its got the spare capacity....

          Something i didnt mention is obviously im learning so im always messing with stuff on there so, have a fair few packages installed. Ive given quite a large slice of disk space over to squid (im assuming that the more i give it - to a certian extent) the better it will be (the internet connection/performance)

          Ill go and have a look at the SG1100 now...cheers.

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            Comfy @Comfy
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            @comfy Just to add i did inherit a dumb terminal - an igel one of these....

            https://www.igel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/DS_UD6_85-EN-21-6-2.pdf

            although when i stick a pfsense usb stick in it gets so far then hangs...i thought i could use that so far ive not had much luck...

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              Comfy @Comfy
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              @comfy Is this over the top??

              https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fanless-Mini-PC-Intel-3865U-6LAN-Firewall-VPN-Router-with-AES-NI-8G-64G-pfsense/114644620718?hash=item1ab15a15ae:g:tBkAAOSwPKNgGVf7

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              • JKnottJ Offline
                JKnott @Comfy
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                @comfy said in A few questions from a newbie chimp....:

                https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fanless-Mini-PC-Intel-3865U-6LAN-Firewall-VPN-Router-with-AES-NI-8G-64G-pfsense/114644620718?hash=item1ab15a15ae:g:tBkAAOSwPKNgGVf7

                You might want to try the one I bought, as it's cheaper. Also, according to that ad, they're down to their last one (I wonder how many "last ones" they have.).

                PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                UniFi AC-Lite access point

                I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                  Comfy @JKnott
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                  @jknott Yep - sorry - i missed that....looking now....that looks pretty good! - can it be upgraded internally? im assuming not cpu but memory and disc capacity...?

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                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                    Whilst it's possible to run Squid/Squidguard, pfBlocker etc on an SG-1100 it can require careful tuning not to blow though all the RAM imediately. If you want try a bunch of packages I would say go to the SG-2100.
                    That igel hardware would probably be fine for what you're doing and since you already have it.....

                    You are probably hitting the graphics driver issue in the J1900 SoC. Does it stop at 'Booting...' ?
                    https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/install/upgrade-guide-versions.html?highlight=kern%20vty%20sc#upgrading-from-versions-older-than-pfsense-2-4-4

                    Steve

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                    • JKnottJ Offline
                      JKnott @Comfy
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                      @comfy said in A few questions from a newbie chimp....:

                      can it be upgraded internally? im assuming not cpu but memory and disc capacity...?

                      I haven't checked mine, but there are some models sold without memory or SSD. You can put whatever you want in those.

                      However, here are some performance levels with mine, which has 4 GB of memory and 32 GB SSD:

                      bb7540e1-9ca4-4158-b8ee-38a8cfe7a01d-image.png

                      As you can see, it's hardly doing anything. When I run speedtest, the CPU usage peaks at 5%. So, this model has plenty of reserve.

                      PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                      i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                      UniFi AC-Lite access point

                      I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                        Comfy @JKnott
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                        @jknott Yeah- i was just watching a video of someone pulling one apart....there are barebones ones on Amazon for 130 quid so i reckon thats the kiddie for me (ive got a spare 250gb samsung ssd and 8gb of memory kicking around)

                        Ive also got a spare wifi card i could stick in the wireless slot...ive got 2 access points already running but as i say, i love messing around with stuff so id put it in just to see what i could do with it...

                        Just have to burn the electricity until payday and then get one then....based on what yours is doing im guessing it can run an amount of additional packages...im running

                        Darkstat
                        nmap
                        snort
                        squid
                        pfblocker

                        And a couple of others.....

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                          JKnott @Comfy
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                          @comfy said in A few questions from a newbie chimp....:

                          Ive also got a spare wifi card i could stick in the wireless slot

                          WiFi NIC support is not great. Even if you find one that works, you won't be able to get better than "n" out of it. I have a Unifi AC-Lite AP here.

                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

                          I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                            Comfy @JKnott
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                            @jknott Ah - right - ive got a couple of EnGenius access points one wifi5 and the other one wifi6

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