pfSense Plus and pfSense CE: Dev Insights and Direction
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@dennis_s said in pfSense Plus and pfSense CE: Dev Insights and Direction:
While you are correct the entire code is not open source, customers can certainly see the vast majority of the underlying code of pfSense Plus, if they are so inclined.
I don't agree with this wording to be honest.
The main reason I love pfsense is because it's open source and transparent. I myself understand that the major software that pfsense uses is open source... But that doesn't mean I fully trust it. I still want myself/community to see all and every part/aspect of the code Netgate puts into their final products period! Regardless of what you guys tell us. It helps the whole community and keeps everyone honest and accountable.
Otherwise you guys can tell us it's secure safe not spying on us etc. But we will never truly know for sure since it's now closed source. I believe many in the community would agree with me on this point.
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@stuboy I'm sorry to hear you've lost faith and at the same respect your position. As I've said before, CE will remain open source as it always has. It will also continue to receive updates and benefit from any of the work in pfSense plus that gets upstreamed to FreeBSD.
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@dennis_s I too respect the decision you guys have made. I realize you see further then me on the outside etc. I'll continue to use pfsense ce I still really think it's an awesome product, although I'm very concerned that I'll be left out in the cold so to speak. With regards to ongoing support and security updates.
Will I be allowed to upgrade from pfsense ce to pfsense plus with the same settings and features I'm using now without paying a huge amount of money as I heard licensing is now involved. I currently use snort, QoS, VLANs and UPNP.
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@tman904 I know it's just me on a forum saying it, but there are no plans to abandon CE.
As to your question, yes you can move to pfSense Plus at any time. As long as you are a home user or using it in a lab, there will be no fee for pfSense Plus. In regards to your settings, at least initially everything will be compatible just as it is now if you moved from CE to FE (Netgate appliance). I can't speak to down the road as the products do diverge, but we will always do our best to make it as easy and simple for users to make the transition if/when they want to.
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@dennis_s Thanks for clearing the confusion up for me.
One more question what is the line between home/lab and business? If I want to add a static IP on my WAN and mess around with port forwards is that considered "Business use" Or does that part refer to if I'm using your product in or installing it for other companies/freelance consulting?
That may not make sense but I don't understand what business use means to be honest.
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It's probably fair to say that even Netgate doesn't have perfectly clear vision of how things will look 6 months or a year down the road. There are new people involved (see the blog posts) and things are changing.
I think it's entirely unfair to declare the changes a disaster for the community and the related open source projects beforehand. Time will tell and what will be will be. Positive engagement from the community can only help. Negative engagement often ends up becoming a self fulfilling prophecy.
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@dennis_s Where can you download pfSense Plus? Or is it not available for non-netgate hardware as I do have a watchguard XTM 5 series firewall with pfSense CE currently intsalled. Would love to upgrade to Plus at home. Just can not find where to download it.
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@stacyann33 Per the blog, "we also plan to make pfSense Plus available to work on non-Netgate hardware in late 2021"
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As I understand pfsense Plus will be available for custom hardware summer 2021. Do you have any pricing informations? I don't mind paying a one time fee if it's not too expensive (maybe 30-50€). Any kind of subscription with monthly pay is a NoGo for me and I'll leave Pfsense
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@thisisme said in pfSense Plus and pfSense CE: Dev Insights and Direction:
As I understand pfsense Plus will be available for custom hardware summer 2021. Do you have any pricing informations? I don't mind paying a one time fee if it's not too expensive (maybe 30-50€). Any kind of subscription with monthly pay is a NoGo for me and I'll leave Pfsense
To make things clear. I'm taking about pfsense for home use. I'd love to have fast updates and new features.
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@thisisme It will be free as in beer for home use.
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@jwj https://www.netgate.com/solutions/pfsense/plus-faq.html
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@thisisme said in pfSense Plus and pfSense CE: Dev Insights and Direction:
custom hardware summer 2021
Per the blog, "we also plan to make pfSense Plus available to work on non-Netgate hardware in late 2021."
Or you can just stay on pfSense (non-Plus...pfSense CE I guess we should start calling it).
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@jwj Very good news. I really like pfsense and getting the new plus version for free is lovely. Already worried about the migration work to another product, but now I'm looking forward for the new release.
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Any news on the API?
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I'm curious as to why Go was chosen for the UI? I have zero interest in starting a language war, no Rust vs Go nonsense. I'm also not questioning the appropriateness of Go.
I'm interested in what language attributes made it attractive or was it simply you already have the people and you can get to work immediately?
I'm speaking from experience where I have had to pick a tool set for service development (purely back-end) but skipped over obvious choices because of a lack of people ready to go. I've personally never done full stack work in any serious way, and have zero interest in such things. Front end development is an unpleasentness I'm happy to leave to others. :)
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Just wondering about the timeline and lack of comms on releasing PFSense Plus for individuals to load on their own hardware. It's been quiet for a few months.
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@gauthig It is taking a little longer than initially planned, but our goal is still to have it available this year.
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@dennis_s any update on this? Am really curious to see how much different pfsense plus is for my home lab. Hoping it offers some improvement with my watchguard xtm550.
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Any update on this?
