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    To 2.5.0 or not ? that is the question :)

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    • stephenw10S Offline
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      Like the traffic graphs? Can we see a screenshot?

      We have seen problems there before with a bad timezone.

      Steve

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        buggz @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10
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        • stephenw10S Offline
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          Ah, yes sorry I conflated some topics there 🙄

          Hmm, do you see the interface stats incrementing for LAN? What driver is it?

          Steve

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            buggz @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10
            Yes, Interface Statistics is updating.

            Intel OEM I350-T4

            dmesg shows it is using:
            igb0: <Intel(R) PRO/1000 PCI-Express Network Driver> mem 0xf7b00000-0xf7bfffff,0xf7c0c000-0xf7c0ffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci2

            Hmm, I can't remember what driver the former release used...

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              pfworker79 @buggz
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              @buggz I'm facing issues using VLAN's with v2.5.0, where all VLAN tagged interfaces reports some output errors. Seems it has something to do with the 'igb' driver and IPv6. It doesn't affect the performance in any noticeable way, but it wasn't present in v2.4.5. After some research, it seems to do with the Intel 'igb' driver bundled with FreeBSD 12.2-STABLE. Following is a link to others facing the same problem:

              https://github.com/opnsense/src/issues/74

              I'm not experiencing problems with the traffic graphs, but maybe this got something to do with it. Hope this gets fixed in the next release.

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              • stephenw10S Offline
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                Hmm, that doesn't seem to be generally the case. I have a whole bunch of boxes with igb NICs and VLANs and haven't noticed anything . Of course now I'm going to go digging....

                But that seems unlikely to be related to this graphing issue.

                Steve

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                  buggz
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                  Wow, and now LAN Traffic Graph magically works for the first time.
                  I did update ntopng to the latest, but it didn't work then.
                  Does now on reboot.

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                  • stephenw10S Offline
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    Still in 2.5.0 or 2.5.1-RC snapshots?

                    Steve

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                      q54e3w @stephenw10
                      last edited by q54e3w

                      Is wireguard being pulled from 2.5.1? I wasn’t able to update to latest RC (2.5.1.r.20210320.0824 ) due to having 'wireguard tunnels enabled'. I understood it was being pulled from the kernel until the version Jason is currently developing is integrated into FreeBSD (13.2?), but I assumed the Netgate funded version would remain in pfSense until that swap could be made as the security implications were only a concern if admin access had already been compromised?

                       0) Logout (SSH only)                  9) pfTop
                       1) Assign Interfaces                 10) Filter Logs
                       2) Set interface(s) IP address       11) Restart webConfigurator
                       3) Reset webConfigurator password    12) PHP shell + pfSense tools
                       4) Reset to factory defaults         13) Update from console
                       5) Reboot system                     14) Disable Secure Shell (sshd)
                       6) Halt system                       15) Restore recent configuration
                       7) Ping host                         16) Restart PHP-FPM
                       8) Shell
                      
                      Enter an option: 13
                      
                      ERROR: There are WireGuard tunnels enabled on your config.  Please remove or disable them before proceed.
                      
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                      • buggzB Offline
                        buggz @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10
                        2.5.0 for me.

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                          buggz @buggz
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                          I give up, now broken again.
                          I wont report no more, as I am certain everyone, and me, is tired of hearing from a "whiner".

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                            yon 0 @q54e3w
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                            i agree. i think shouldnt give up wireguard now. this bug main is kernel, linux kernel report fixed this. Don't give up eating because of choking.

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                              If I may suggest for users who experienced bugs, just do a clean install 2.5.0 or you could try 2.5.1 (for testing purpose only) please note no WireGuard:
                              https://snapshots.netgate.com/amd64/pfSense_RELENG_2_5_1/installer/
                              Then do re-configure from the scratch.

                              About WireGuard, in my opinion there was some miscommunication between Netgate team and Jason A. Donenfeld (WireGuard). I really hope they would come to some agreement that benefit for their users and not waiting until June.

                              Here is a full statement from Jason A. Donenfeld :

                              Hi everybody,
                              
                              I’m pleased to announce that WireGuard now runs inside the FreeBSD
                              kernel, with a driver called if_wg. It has full support of wg(8) and
                              wg-quick(8) [5], as well as general integration into FreeBSD userland.
                              Performance should be decent. The implementation in FreeBSD’s main
                              branch should pretty much work, though it’s something of a so-so work in
                              progress. To learn what I mean there, read on…
                              
                              Sometime ago, a popular firewall vendor tasked a developer with writing
                              a WireGuard implementation for FreeBSD. They didn’t bother reaching out
                              to the project. That’s okay, I figured, I’ll reach out and see if I can
                              help and coordinate. What followed over the next year was a series of
                              poor communications – messages unanswered, code reviews ignored, that
                              kind of thing. Usually collaborations I’ve had with others have been
                              full of excitement, but it just didn’t work out here. In the few
                              discussions we were able to have, I did get across some key points,
                              like, “you’ll save a bunch of time if you use the OpenBSD code as a
                              starting point.” But mostly it seemed like a stop-and-go effort that the
                              WireGuard project didn’t have much to do with. Then, at some point,
                              whatever code laying around got merged into the FreeBSD tree and the
                              developer tasked with writing it moved on.
                              
                              Fortunately, two weeks before FreeBSD 13.0 was due to be released,
                              FreeBSD core developer Kyle Evans emailed the list about integrating
                              wireguard-tools (wg(8) and such). In the ensuing discussion I mentioned
                              that we really need to get the actual if_wg kernel implementation up to
                              snuff. We took the conversation to IRC, and agreed that we should work
                              on figuring out what to do before the release date. At the same time,
                              Matt Dunwoodie, who worked on the OpenBSD implementation, also took a
                              look at what had become of that implementation in FreeBSD. Over the next
                              week, the three of us dug in and completely reworked the implementation
                              from top to bottom, each one of us pushing commits and taking passes
                              through the code to ensure correctness. The result was [6]. It was an
                              incredible effort. The collaboration was very fast paced and exciting.
                              Matt and Kyle are terrific programmers and fun to work with too.
                              
                              The first step was assessing the current state of the code the previous
                              developer had dumped into the tree. It was not pretty. I imagined
                              strange Internet voices jeering, “this is what gives C a bad name!”
                              There were random sleeps added to “fix” race conditions, validation
                              functions that just returned true, catastrophic cryptographic
                              vulnerabilities, whole parts of the protocol unimplemented, kernel
                              panics, security bypasses, overflows, random printf statements deep in
                              crypto code, the most spectacular buffer overflows, and the whole litany
                              of awful things that go wrong when people aren’t careful when they write
                              C. Or, more simply, it seems typical of what happens when code ships
                              that wasn’t meant to. It was essentially an incomplete half-baked
                              implementation – nothing close to something anybody would want on a
                              production machine. Matt had to talk me out of just insisting they pull
                              the code entirely, and rework it more slowly and carefully for the next
                              release cycle. And he was right: nobody would have agreed to do that,
                              and it would only have fostered frustration from folks genuinely
                              enthusiastic about if_wg. So our one and only option was to iteratively
                              improve it as fast as we could during the two weeks before release, and
                              try to make it as simple and close as possible to OpenBSD so that we
                              could benefit from the previous analysis done there. With that as our
                              mission, we set out auditing and rewriting code.
                              
                              One curious thing of note is that there were 40,000 lines of optimized
                              crypto implementations pulled out of the Linux kernel compat module but
                              not really wired up correctly, and mangled beyond repair with mazes of
                              Linux→FreeBSD ifdefs. I wound up replacing this with an 1,800 line file,
                              crypto.c [1], containing all of the cryptographic primitives needed to
                              implement WireGuard. Aside from its place in the FreeBSD story, this is
                              kind of neat in its own right: these are simple, but fast enough,
                              reference implementations. It’s not deliberately tiny or obfuscated like
                              TweetNaCl is, yet is still just a single file, and the Curve25519 field
                              arithmetic in it is formally verified. Maybe other projects will find
                              use for it. Future releases will hopefully get rid of crypto.c and hook
                              into FreeBSD’s already existing optimized implementations [4], which
                              should give a nice performance boost, but given the time crunch, having
                              something boring, safe, and simple seemed like the way to go.
                              
                              We reduced the project structure down to four C files – the
                              aforementioned crypto.c, two files copied verbatim from OpenBSD –
                              wg_noise.c and wg_cookie.c – and if_wg.c, the actual interface device
                              driver implementation and protocol logic. The IPC interface was reworked
                              as well, and wg(8) in the wireguard-tools package grew support for it
                              (also rewritten from the original attempt). The three of us spent
                              countless hours across three time zones auditing state machine logic,
                              running trials,  and generally trying to get this working and workable.
                              There are now even a few automated tests!
                              
                              I think we’ve mostly succeeded in producing something that behaves like
                              WireGuard. The net result certainly isn’t perfect, though – the Linux
                              and OpenBSD implementations were long, careful, slow projects by
                              comparison – but it is at least a base on which to build and improve
                              over time. Going forward, I think there’ll be additional systems coding
                              issues to work out – locking, lifetimes, races, and that sort of thing.
                              But now that there’s at least a stable base, developers can work out
                              remaining issues incrementally.
                              
                              But perhaps this is a good moment to step back and ask how we got here,
                              and what WireGuard itself really is.
                              
                              Traditionally, network protocols are specified in a document of protocol
                              behaviors. Then different organizations implement that specification.
                              Then everybody interoperates and all goes well. In practice, it often
                              doesn’t go well (see IPsec woes), but this at least has been the
                              traditional way of doing this on the Internet, and in some ways it
                              works.
                              
                              But that is not the approach taken by the WireGuard project. In
                              contrast, WireGuard is both a protocol and a set of implementations,
                              implemented with a particular set of security and safety techniques.
                              That’s a radical departure from the traditional model, and one surely to
                              raise some grumbles amongst graybeards. But I believe this is a
                              necessary and beneficial quality for having the types of high assurance
                              software that is needed for core Internet security infrastructure. When
                              you use WireGuard, you’re not just using some protocol that is capable
                              of producing packets that are legible by others. You’re also using an
                              implementation that’s been designed to avoid security pitfalls, and that
                              provides interfaces for using it that mitigate footguns. In that way,
                              the WireGuard project is more expansive than a mere protocol project or
                              a mere software project or a mere cryptography project or a mere
                              specification project or a mere interface project. It combines all of
                              those things into a single unified approach. (For this same reason, the
                              original WireGuard paper [2] has been difficult for folks to categorize.
                              Is this a systems paper? A networking paper? A crypto paper?)
                              
                              Because of that, I think this was an understandable predicament. After
                              all, why shouldn’t a company be able to task a developer with writing
                              some ring-0 WireGuard code in C? And why does it matter to me whether
                              the code is garbage if it can at least produce protocol packets? The
                              reason is that the WireGuard project’s mission is wider than that. We
                              deeply care about code quality and implementation particulars.
                              
                              While we now have the FreeBSD code in a maintainable state, there are
                              other projects too that could use some attention from us. Looking
                              forward, for example, we hope to be able to lend a hand similarly to the
                              NetBSD developers soon to help them finish their implementation; this is
                              long overdue on my part, and I owe them some time and energy there. And
                              I hope that others don’t hesitate to email the list asking for
                              collaboration. This kind of thing is, of course, one of the reasons that
                              the project as an organization exists.
                              
                              To return to the primary announcement, I had originally hoped to say
                              that this would be shipping for 13.0, and have some instructions for
                              setup there, but unfortunately, and contrary to our plans, it looks
                              exceedingly likely that given the grave issues we found in the existing
                              code, they’ll in the end just disable the module from the release, and
                              revisit for 13.1, rather than merging our fixes a few short days before
                              the release. That’s a bit of a bummer, given how hard we worked to get
                              things done in the time crunch, but it’s also probably a very wise
                              decision that takes some courage to make, and this will give us more
                              time to really get this rock solid for 13.1.
                              
                              As well, hopefully we’ll have backport modules for the 13.0 and 12.y
                              release, making it as available as possible. Kyle or I will update the
                              list when  we’ve got a standalone backport module ready, with
                              instructions, as well as updating [3] per usual. There’s also ongoing
                              work to integrate WireGuard interface setup into rc, and hopefully that
                              will land during the the next release window, as well as the
                              aforementioned improvements to optimized crypto and systems issues.
                              
                              Enjoy,
                              Jason
                              
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