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    • jimpJ
      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
      last edited by

      Your analysis still shows a very tunnel-vision-like view of your specific experience and preferences, and not the world as a whole as it really is. We'll have to agree to disagree, given your tone you're unlikely to be convinced of anything you don't already agree with here. We've got a significant number of preorders, the demand and market are definitely there. If you don't see its usefulness, it's probably not for you, but that doesn't mean others won't have numerous ways to use it to their benefit.

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        epek
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        Well to be honest, I was hoping for more ARM support and I am quite dissapointed.Coming from a freifunk derivate I obviously have dissenting expectations in regard to this.
        Just some feedback in contrast to your suggested use cases:
        POE?
        Energy consumption versus independent power sources.
        WLAN?
        Scalability?

        I'd rather see the SG-1000 as cloud computing unit, then a firewall. But then, the CPU clock is rather on the lower end of scale.

        For future developments I personally would wish for a modular composition of hardware. This would allow such a device to grow with the needs. Eg add or remove an additional Ethernet module. Add on ore more wireless modules, add a dsl or lte module, replace the mainboard, add an SSD module, or insert a RNG module, add a battery module, add a solar charger module in between router an battery module. See it as 'Project Ara' for routers. I guess that could be really revolutionary. And now have that device running pfSense. Wow.

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        • KOMK
          KOM
          last edited by

          You're going to pay a premium for that flexibility that I'm not sure most people besides hobbyists would care about.

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          • jimpJ
            jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
            last edited by

            Or people looking to build a product of their own to sell using pfSense as a base after having us do all of the engineering and development work.

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            • ?
              Guest
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              The SG-1000 probably caters for that need already… but 150$US might be out of many people's budget...

              Many peoples where asking in the past for a small footprint and ARM CPU based device that
              is sufficient enough to serve them as a raw home firewall, without additional installed packets
              and that was because they haven´t the usual needed ~300 Euros till 400 Euros to build their
              own pfSense firewall appliance. This might be sounding strange for many peoples but, now it
              is not really needed to go and buy a Raspberry PI, since there are also smaller devices on sale
              at the ADI or pfSense shop.

              SG-1000
              Real home users with the need of an pure firewall
              SG-2200
              SHOHO users without the need of the full UTM services and functions
              ADI MinnowBoard 1
              For anyone who owns a running network and needs only a cool Captive portal to integrate
              ADI MinnowBoard 2
              For all other network work or as a small device for admins to carry to all customers as a spare
              device or for doing network tests.

              I personally will find it more useful that the support fee or money will be staggered or scaling
              and fit more to the client view or range. Let us say something like this;

              • SG-1000 with $20 supporting fee
                No support call and no Gold membership
              • MinnowBoard 1 with $50 supporting fee
              • MinnowBoard 2 with $50 supporting fee
                One Support call and no Gold membership
              • SG-2200 with $70 supporting fee
                2 Support calls and 6 month Gold membership
              • All other SG and XG units with $99 supporting fee
                2 Support calls and 12 month Gold membership

              Or people looking to build a product of their own to sell using pfSense as a base after
              having us do all of the engineering and development work.

              This can be also a real hidden chance for pfSense to get more supporting fee or money.
              For sure the greatest supporter will be ADI and this might be sometimes not so really clear
              to the customers and users that they are a running and commercial based company, but
              there are also really nice billing options perhaps such MikroTik is using or others will be
              able to offer. Or let us say the pfSense team is coding something like a SolidRun image
              and all the money is going back to the ADI company, so you can also pay back and/or
              support them.

              You're going to pay a premium for that flexibility that I'm not sure most people besides hobbyists would care about.

              ClearFog SolidRun Base Board pfSense image $20 each image or serial number
              ClearFog SolidRun Pro Board pfSense image $30 each image or serial number
              For each MikroElektronika click sensor a packet $3 or $5.
              Boards & Sensors

              Once coded sold million times! For sure more for the consumer area, but nice to have a
              RFID sensor and only the admin with the right RFID card is able to login.

              I guess, that you don't offer a product in order not sell it widely. There is a point in why raspberry pi and alike are that successful.

              This might be but ADI is assembling hardware and sell this hardware commercial orientated
              and this might be then a really problem for ADI first and then following pfSense. And together
              with the Minnowboard (1 & 2) you will be able to have all options you need and the Raspberry
              PI is offering too.

              Ok. But wireless still has to be extended externally? That makes it unsuitable for mobile use cases.

              Really? I don´t think it is not useable and/or able to realize. There are boxes out to do what
              you want or need, GPS, WiFi and/or modem cards in the minPCIe format and on top with or
              without a SIM slot. And this also world wide able to get the hands on!
              Scandinavian region
              mid Europe region
              Japanese region
              US region (outdoor usage)
              US region (indoor)
              Asian region

              Furthermore the two gigabit interfaces rather stand in contrast to energy efficiency unless used in 10 Mbit/s nominal link speed. Please explain.

              And who is then buying that SG-2220?

              In my eyes then better getting hands on an ClearFog SolidRun image for $20/$30 and
              if peoples want really to play with their board or pimp it up you could get click sensors
              for both boards (Pro & Base) such as this ones. Also the SOM can be chosen by the customers
              that is holding the CPU (SoC) and RAM or WiFi option!

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                sremick
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                If this has decent OpenVPN support I'm all over this. I was saving up for an SG-2200 but if this fits the bill I might up my pfSense timeline.

                My environment is a 50MBit/s DSL connection with the need for usually just 1 (but maybe 2-3 in the future) VPN connections.

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                  Guest
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                  @sremick:

                  If this has decent OpenVPN support I'm all over this. I was saving up for an SG-2200 but if this fits the bill I might up my pfSense timeline.

                  That could be easily done by the SG-1000

                  @sremick:

                  My environment is a 50MBit/s DSL connection with the need for usually just 1 (but maybe 2-3 in the future) VPN connections.

                  Then perhaps more the SG-2200 or SG-2400.

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                    sremick
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                    @BlueKobold:

                    @sremick:

                    If this has decent OpenVPN support I'm all over this. I was saving up for an SG-2200 but if this fits the bill I might up my pfSense timeline.

                    That could be easily done by the SG-1000

                    @sremick:

                    My environment is a 50MBit/s DSL connection with the need for usually just 1 (but maybe 2-3 in the future) VPN connections.

                    Then perhaps more the SG-2200 or SG-2400.

                    I'm sorry, I guess I'm unclear on what the deciding factor was. My DSL speed? The # of VPN connections? Can you elaborate? Thanks.

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                      robi
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                      Imagine pfSense running on this: https://www.gl-inet.com/mifi/
                      8)

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