Windows 10 strange devices showing up in Network



  • I get a blackberry smartphone named Veniceaatt that shows up randomly.

    I grab the mac address from properties in windows and then block it in the access points.  It disappears.

    Then tonight it showed back up under a different mac address.

    There are no entries in pfsense about this strange device and it only shows on my windows 10 machines - but it shows on all of them.



  • Congratulations, you've got hacked wifi, I think.  :-
    If this "smartphone" uses static random IP address and MAC spoofing there is only one way to take it down — review you AP's settings, change passwords and may be firmware upgrade is needed. What hardware you are using as APs?



  • @W4RH34D:

    There are no entries in pfsense about this strange device and it only shows on my windows 10 machines

    not even under DHCP leases or in the ARP table?
    That would mean it's not using your internet connection … but what else does it do on your network then? I'd start to feel uncomfortable.
    Can you ping it? If so the continuously ping it and disconnect the AP(s). Does it go away?



  • The only thing I get from it is the device name and a mac address.  No IP or any other evidence of its existence.

    I'm using asus 87u and 56u access points.  As a precaution I blocked internet access to their mac/ip, and set their ntp to the pfsense ntp server.

    Both these ap's have wifi mac filters, and when I add the blackberry mac to the filter and reject it, the device stops popping up.
    I pulled the access point logs and there's nothing there that refers to those macs.



  • Heres the only proof I have.






  • Have you changed your cable, err, WiFI password already?  ;)



  • I've had the exact same thing happen to me. A random "phone" will show up in explorer just like what W4RH34D posted. No IP just a MAC address and nothing else.

    ETA: I live in a rural area with no one close enough to connect to my network unless they are on my property.

    Also seems to be something that others have experienced.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=windows+10+random+phones+on+network



  • Ok so I am not crazy. ;D



  • Yes, looks like this is some windows 8/10 feature-bug, but we can't exclude the possibility that big brother is watching you  8)



  • I mean that's fine if they are even though it would be considered "wrong" of them to be.

    It's just frustrating when there's issues and the only thing that is unexplainable is this.



  • You may want to look into Windows Wi-Fi Sense a little. It will not make you happy.
    Just a thought.



  • I'm mostly on mac.  I only have 2 windows machines and theyre both for entertainment purposes.

    I guess I'll be subnetting those off the rest of the network.



  • @W4RH34D:

    I only have 2 windows machines and theyre both for entertainment purposes.

    Well you were entertained enough I hate to say. Maybe turn Wi-Fi Sense off too.  ;)



  • @webtyro:

    @W4RH34D:

    I only have 2 windows machines and theyre both for entertainment purposes.

    Well you were entertained enough I hate to say. Maybe turn Wi-Fi Sense off too.  ;)

    You call it entertainment, I call it technology that is not saving time but wasting it.

    I put the windows machines on a separate subnet and it has stopped happening.



  • Bad pun I know. I have one lan called "home" and another called "untrusted". I know you can guess where the visiting Microsoft units are put. Hard to trust them. I run all Debian for my own use. Microsoft had a good run but I feel they have gone rogue.
    Post update if it shows again. Hope not though.



  • @webtyro:

    Bad pun I know. I have one lan called "home" and another called "untrusted". I know you can guess where the visiting Microsoft units are put. Hard to trust them. I run all Debian for my own use. Microsoft had a good run but I feel they have gone rogue.
    Post update if it shows again. Hope not though.

    I've seen a quality drop from nearly every big tech company there is.