Shitty Chinese WIFICAM cameras 0day root exploit alert

Not sure I agree with IoT being a retarded concept as a whole. What is retarded is a complete utter lack of any care to security..

Very true.
Attempt too avoid security is noteworthy also. I like the tech alright, but seriously this was a train wreck we all saw coming long before now. First time I heard a fridge and IP in the same sentence I thought hmm what a waste of an IP. Second thought was security. This is going to be ugly.
I think my words today expressed my Ahha! moment and frustration with the agony knowing the chaos to come. LOL. IoT just makes me want to scream out , LOOSE CANNON ON DECK!
On paper concept is just fine its a concept right? But what a mess and waste.
Just ranting I guess.
People are like fish at times, dangle something new in front and they forget the hook.

Jailer

Good lord after looking at that list is there ANYONE that makes a decent IP camera?

kpa

I guess there's no way to compete against the cheapo manufacturers even if you could produce something that works and offers reasonable security because the customer base is so ignorant of the security issues and basically don't care if there are zero day exploits, they don't see the point in firmware upgrades or paying little extra for better security, if they don't like the product they will buy a new one and an equally crappy one.

johnpoz

"offers reasonable security because the customer base is so ignorant of the security issues"

Very very good point!!!

You see it here on the board, you would hope the people moving to pfsense vs the off the shelf router would have some concepts.. But you see it all the time, how do I forward rdp how do I open web gui to the wan..

How do I bridge all the interfaces so everything is on 1 network ;)

Presbuteros

@webtyro:

First time I heard a fridge and IP in the same sentence I thought hmm what a waste of an IP. Second thought was security. This is going to be ugly.

There are IoT refrigerators with cameras that stream the inside of the fridge. Maybe the crappy security camera should go in the fridge and stare back at the fridge camera. Battle of the insecure eyes.

@Jailer:

Good lord after looking at that list is there ANYONE that makes a decent IP camera?

Amcrest? I have installed these for clients. Glad they are not on the list….yet.

doktornotor

@Jailer:

Good lord after looking at that list is there ANYONE that makes a decent IP camera?

Perhaps Axis or Ubiquiti (and of course any cloud "feature" turned off). At least those are the brands that seem to produce kinda regular firmware updates for a reasonable period of product lifetime.

Fabio72

My chinese Dahua(!!) and Hickvision cameras and DVR are on a locked down VLAN. Remote access is done with VPN or a zoneminder streaming server on another VLAN.
They have only NTP access to pfsense. No DNS resolution or anything else.

Hickvision are pretty decent hardware, but often come from a grey market, with hacked chinese firmwares you cannot update without loosing english language.

Soarin

@johnpoz:

How do I bridge all the interfaces so everything is on 1 network ;)

That's hilarious

@Soarin:

@johnpoz:

How do I bridge all the interfaces so everything is on 1 network ;)

That's hilarious

It would be if it was not so worrying and true!

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Does it link to Alexa and order a new roll when there are only a few sheets left?

@marjohn56:

Does it link to Alexa and order a new roll when there are only a few sheets left?

Still looking for the damn JTAG to see what crap firmware it has. Who knows what it is reporting. :o

@webtyro:

Still looking for the damn j tag to see what crap firmware it has. Who knows what it is reporting. :o

Perhaps if it all links together it will know when you've ordered a curry and will order extra rolls! ::)

Soarin

@webtyro:

???

Presbuteros

@marjohn56:

@webtyro:

Still looking for the damn j tag to see what crap firmware it has. Who knows what it is reporting. :o

Perhaps if it all links together it will know when you've ordered a curry and will order extra rolls! ::)

Any coder worth his weight in curry would write a proximity alert package to start pre-feeding sheets as your running towards it to tcpdump….

pfBasic

So I'm simple when it comes to IT, I read through this but most of it doesn't make much sense to me.

One of the main things I took away was this:

It’s useful to note the tunnel bypasses NAT and firewall, allowing the attacker to reach internal cameras (if they are connected to the Internet)

I certainly don't understand how the tunnel just "bypasses a firewall"? Either way it sounds like so long as the device doesn't have internet access then this is a non-issue?

I have a cheap IP Cam, I believe that my configuration for it is secure but having seen this I'd like to ask here to get some feedback from those who know what they are talking about.

My IP Camera is on my LAN
My LAN rules are whitelist & IPv4 only
The only remote access to the Camera is over my OpenVPN server
The first three rules (after pfBlockerNG) are for the IP Camera(192.168.30.13):

Pass/IPv4/UDP/192.168.30.13/any/192.168.30.1/123/any
Block/IPv4/any/192.168.30.13/any/any/any/any
Block/IPv4/any/any/any/192.168.30.13/any/any

Is this secure?

Fabio72

Since my IPCAM use also ipv6, I choose to put them all on a dedicated vlan with no internet gateway at all.
My first solution has been put them on a blacklist alias.

jahonix

@Jailer:

Good lord after looking at that list is there ANYONE that makes a decent IP camera?

Bosch and Dallmeier probably

doktornotor

Also the dummy plastic ones should be pretty safe.

silverJ

@Jailer:

Good lord after looking at that list is there ANYONE that makes a decent IP camera?

I believe foscam are originally made from Canada. Not just sure about its video quality.