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    • johnpozJ Offline
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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      And did you clear out the domain overrides you were messing with??

      Can you talk to their NS directly - you did that previous.. So you got something else going on if you can still talk to them..

      Troubleshooting.. What is your unbound log showing you when you up its verbosity?  What is simple sniff on your wan showing you when you try and resolve this fqdn?  I am having zero issues resolving this domain and that www record.

      Its quite possible your having issues talking to their NS via something wrong with your isp, or your path to those networks..  Tracking that down is simple enough..

      So what happens when you try and resolve it via pfsense diag, dns lookup?

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        @johnpoz:

        And did you clear out the domain overrides you were messing with??

        Can you talk to their NS directly - you did that previous.. So you got something else going on if you can still talk to them..

        Yes, I deleted the domain override.

        Here's an output that includes the NS:

        ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> www.aviation.gov
        ;; global options: +cmd
        ;; Got answer:
        ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 60388
        ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
        
        ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
        ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
        ;; QUESTION SECTION:
        ;www.aviation.gov.              IN      A
        
        ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
        gov.                    3312    IN      SOA     a.gov-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1489943401 3600 900 1814400 86400
        
        ;; Query time: 0 msec
        ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
        ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 19 10:47:21 DST 2017
        ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 120
        
        bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig aviation.gov
        
        ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> aviation.gov
        ;; global options: +cmd
        ;; Got answer:
        ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 397
        ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
        
        ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
        ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
        ;; QUESTION SECTION:
        ;aviation.gov.                  IN      A
        
        ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
        gov.                    3308    IN      SOA     a.gov-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1489943401 3600 900 1814400 86400
        
        ;; Query time: 0 msec
        ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
        ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 19 10:47:25 DST 2017
        ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 116
        
        bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig 140.90.33.237
        
        ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> 140.90.33.237
        ;; global options: +cmd
        ;; Got answer:
        ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 10308
        ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
        
        ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
        ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
        ;; QUESTION SECTION:
        ;140.90.33.237.                 IN      A
        
        ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
        .                       1751    IN      SOA     a.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2017031901 1800 900 604800 86400
        
        ;; Query time: 15 msec
        ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
        ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 19 10:47:29 DST 2017
        ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 117
        
        bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig a.root-servers.net
        
        ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> a.root-servers.net
        ;; global options: +cmd
        ;; Got answer:
        ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 54421
        ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 13, ADDITIONAL: 26
        
        ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
        ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
        ;; QUESTION SECTION:
        ;a.root-servers.net.            IN      A
        
        ;; ANSWER SECTION:
        a.root-servers.net.     3599961 IN      A       198.41.0.4
        
        ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      b.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      f.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      i.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      a.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      e.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      g.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      l.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      m.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      d.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      c.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      h.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      j.root-servers.net.
        root-servers.net.       3599961 IN      NS      k.root-servers.net.
        
        ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
        b.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       192.228.79.201
        c.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       192.33.4.12
        d.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       199.7.91.13
        e.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       192.203.230.10
        f.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       192.5.5.241
        g.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       192.112.36.4
        h.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       198.97.190.53
        i.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       192.36.148.17
        j.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       192.58.128.30
        k.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       193.0.14.129
        l.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       199.7.83.42
        m.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      A       202.12.27.33
        a.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:503:ba3e::2:30
        b.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:500:84::b
        c.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:500:2::c
        d.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:500:2d::d
        e.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:500:a8::e
        f.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:500:2f::f
        g.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:500:12::d0d
        h.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:500:1::53
        i.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:7fe::53
        j.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:503:c27::2:30
        k.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:7fd::1
        l.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:500:9f::42
        m.root-servers.net.     516543  IN      AAAA    2001:dc3::35
        
        ;; Query time: 46 msec
        ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
        ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 19 10:47:35 DST 2017
        ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 825
        

        I attached a screen of the pfsense diag lookup output.

        @johnpoz:

        Troubleshooting.. What is your unbound log showing you when you up its verbosity?  What is simple sniff on your wan showing you when you try and resolve this fqdn?  I am having zero issues resolving this domain and that www record.

        Verb=5 was outputting a ton of stuff and filling up the 500 entries in less than a second.

        I thought I'd be clever and clear out the resolver.log file so that I could just post the relevant stuff for you. (Diag>Edit File>Select All>Delete>Save)

        Apparently that's not smart to do because now it doesn't put anything in there…  :o

        I tried restarting Resolver, rebooting, updating to latest BETA build, rm /var/log/resolver.log && touch /var/log/resolver.log
        It still isn't logging anything.

        Way to go me.

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        • DerelictD Offline
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          Try this at a shell prompt:

          rm /var/log/resolver.log

          ls -l /var/log

          Get the size of the other logs default is 511488

          clog -i -s 511488 /var/log/resolver.log

          chmod 600 /var/log/resolver.log

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            @Derelict:

            Try this at a shell prompt:

            rm /var/log/resolver.log

            ls -l /var/log

            Get the size of the other logs default is 511488

            clog -i -s 511488 /var/log/resolver.log

            chmod 600 /var/log/resolver.log

            bounce unbound

            Thanks! That did the trick! I had assumed that they were just ordinary text files but that makes a lot more sense haha.

            Strangely enough….. now my DNS query return is different AND www.aviationweather.gov loads immediately with no problems...  :o

            The only thing I did different than the last post is accidentally screw up my resolver.log and then get it back up with Derelicts instruction.

            Why would a log have any effect at all? Assuming it must have been something else but I can't imagine what? I had already restarted Unbound & rebooted the system a couple of times so that wasn't new.

            dig is different now too:

            bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig www.aviationweather.gov
            
            ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> www.aviationweather.gov
            ;; global options: +cmd
            ;; Got answer:
            ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 26880
            ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 1
            
            ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
            ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
            ;; QUESTION SECTION:
            ;www.aviationweather.gov.       IN      A
            
            ;; ANSWER SECTION:
            www.aviationweather.gov. 120    IN      CNAME   aviationweather.ncep.noaa.gov.
            aviationweather.ncep.noaa.gov. 7 IN     CNAME   aviationweather.cp.ncep.noaa.gov.
            aviationweather.cp.ncep.noaa.gov. 86107 IN A    140.90.101.207
            
            ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
            ncep.noaa.gov.          86107   IN      NS      ns-e.noaa.gov.
            ncep.noaa.gov.          86107   IN      NS      ns-mw.noaa.gov.
            ncep.noaa.gov.          86107   IN      NS      ns-nw.noaa.gov.
            
            ;; Query time: 115 msec
            ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
            ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 19 12:26:55 DST 2017
            ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 200
            
            bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig ns-e.noaa.gov
            
            ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> ns-e.noaa.gov
            ;; global options: +cmd
            ;; Got answer:
            ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 44300
            ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 6
            
            ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
            ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
            ;; QUESTION SECTION:
            ;ns-e.noaa.gov.                 IN      A
            
            ;; ANSWER SECTION:
            ns-e.noaa.gov.          86079   IN      A       140.90.33.237
            
            ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
            noaa.gov.               86400   IN      NS      ns-e.noaa.gov.
            noaa.gov.               86400   IN      NS      ns-mw.noaa.gov.
            noaa.gov.               86400   IN      NS      ns-nw.noaa.gov.
            
            ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
            ns-e.noaa.gov.          86079   IN      AAAA    2610:20:8000:8c00::237
            ns-mw.noaa.gov.         86079   IN      A       140.172.17.237
            ns-mw.noaa.gov.         86079   IN      AAAA    2610:20:8800:8c00::237
            ns-nw.noaa.gov.         86079   IN      A       161.55.32.2
            ns-nw.noaa.gov.         86079   IN      AAAA    2610:20:8c00:8c00::2
            
            ;; Query time: 74 msec
            ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
            ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 19 12:27:23 DST 2017
            ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 228
            

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              It wasn't the log. It is probably just resolving for you now.

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                May never know what what going on, since you can not seem to grasp how to do a directed query.. In all the nonsense you posted.. Not one of them was a query to one of the NS authoritative for that domain…

                Just like you query @yourpfsenseIP

                Do you query direct to one of their NS.. as I did in my example..  And why and the F are you doing a query for "www.aviation.gov"

                Glad its working for you - since troubleshooting to where the problem actual is with what your posting would be fruitless..

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                  @johnpoz:

                  May never know what what going on, since you can not seem to grasp how to do a directed query.. In all the nonsense you posted.. Not one of them was a query to one of the NS authoritative for that domain…

                  Just like you query @yourpfsenseIP

                  Do you query direct to one of their NS.. as I did in my example..  And why and the F are you doing a query for "www.aviation.gov"

                  Glad its working for you - since troubleshooting to where the problem actual is with what your posting would be fruitless..

                  Eh, yeah. I have literally zero background in IT or anything computer or networking related. If I haven't read it for fun or been told something, I don't know it. So it doesn't surprise me I got it wrong, I do apologize though, I appreciate that you've taken your time out to help me.

                  I was querying aviationweather.gov because it's the only site that I've ever had trouble with, and the reason I started this thread.
                  EDIT: reading back I see you mean why i mistyped "aviation.gov" instead of "aviationweather.gov" and posted that output, that was totally unintentional, I was tired!

                  I thought that the following was the Name Server for aviationweather.gov (which is what I assumed you meant by NS?)since it was listed in the return for aviationweather.gov, and start with "ns".

                  bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig ns-e.noaa.gov
                  

                  I don't even know what you mean by this?

                  Just like you query @yourpfsenseIP

                  I think the only IP i queried was:

                  bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig 140.90.33.237
                  

                  Network information
                  IP address 140.90.33.237
                  Reverse DNS (PTR record) ns-e.noaa.gov

                  Is that what you mean?

                  I'd be happy to learn if you're willing to educate me, but I also totally understand if you're no longer interested.
                  Either way, thank you for taking your time and I apologize for the frustration.

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                    "dig 140.90.33.237"

                    All that did was query you default dns for that IP..

                    Thee are 3 NS listed for this domain.. If you want to ask them directly then you would use the @

                    So

                    dig @140.90.33.237 then what you want to ask it..

                    so

                    dig @140.90.33.237 www.aviationweather.gov

                    dig @140.90.33.237 www.aviationweather.gov

                    ; <<>> DiG 9.11.0-P3 <<>> @140.90.33.237 www.aviationweather.gov
                    ; (1 server found)
                    ;; global options: +cmd
                    ;; Got answer:
                    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 9718
                    ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 7
                    ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

                    ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
                    ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
                    ;; QUESTION SECTION:
                    ;www.aviationweather.gov.      IN      A

                    ;; ANSWER SECTION:
                    www.aviationweather.gov. 120    IN      CNAME  aviationweather.ncep.noaa.gov.
                    aviationweather.ncep.noaa.gov. 300 IN  CNAME  aviationweather.cp.ncep.noaa.gov.
                    aviationweather.cp.ncep.noaa.gov. 86400 IN A    140.90.101.207

                    ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
                    ncep.noaa.gov.          86400  IN      NS      ns-mw.noaa.gov.
                    ncep.noaa.gov.          86400  IN      NS      ns-nw.noaa.gov.
                    ncep.noaa.gov.          86400  IN      NS      ns-e.noaa.gov.

                    ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
                    ns-e.noaa.gov.          86400  IN      A      140.90.33.237
                    ns-e.noaa.gov.          86400  IN      AAAA    2610:20:8000:8c00::237
                    ns-mw.noaa.gov.        86400  IN      A      140.172.17.237
                    ns-mw.noaa.gov.        86400  IN      AAAA    2610:20:8800:8c00::237
                    ns-nw.noaa.gov.        86400  IN      A      161.55.32.2
                    ns-nw.noaa.gov.        86400  IN      AAAA    2610:20:8c00:8c00::2

                    ;; Query time: 35 msec
                    ;; SERVER: 140.90.33.237#53(140.90.33.237)
                    ;; WHEN: Mon Mar 20 05:19:59 Central Daylight Time 2017
                    ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 332

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                      OK, thank you! It is once again not working for me.

                      
                      bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig @140.90.33.237 www.aviationweather.gov
                      
                      ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> @140.90.33.237 www.aviationweather.gov
                      ; (1 server found)
                      ;; global options: +cmd
                      ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
                      

                      I also attached the resolver log.

                      [dns resolver log.zip](/public/imported_attachments/1/dns resolver log.zip)

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                        Well that dig command says you could not reach that NS

                        "connection timed out; no servers could be reached"

                        So its either down, or your isp is having issues talking to that network.  I do not show any problems talking to any of them.. Try one of the 2 others ones..

                        ns-e.noaa.gov.          86400  IN      A      140.90.33.237
                        ns-mw.noaa.gov.        86400  IN      A      140.172.17.237
                        ns-nw.noaa.gov.        86400  IN      A      161.55.32.2

                        dig @140.90.33.237 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                        aviationweather.ncep.noaa.gov.
                        aviationweather.cp.ncep.noaa.gov.
                        140.90.101.207

                        dig @140.172.17.237 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                        aviationweather.ncep.noaa.gov.
                        aviationweather.cp.ncep.noaa.gov.
                        140.90.101.207

                        dig @161.55.32.2 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                        aviationweather.ncep.noaa.gov.
                        aviationweather.cp.ncep.noaa.gov.
                        140.90.101.207

                        Simple solution would be prob to just put in a host override for www.aviationweather.gov to point to the IP 140.90.101.207, while they have a really short ttl 120 seconds, and then 300 seconds for that cname the IP has not changed since this thread has started 140.90.101.207..

                        edit:  BTW I don't see anything in that log for aviationweather.gov

                        If you queried it directly unbound would not have any knowledge of that or log that..

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                          Yeah it's down for me again. I don't get why I can't get to those DNS servers?

                          bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig @140.90.33.237
                          
                          ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> @140.90.33.237
                          ; (1 server found)
                          ;; global options: +cmd
                          ;; Got answer:
                          ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 3772
                          ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 13, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
                          
                          ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
                          ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
                          ;; QUESTION SECTION:
                          ;.                              IN      NS
                          
                          ;; ANSWER SECTION:
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      e.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      k.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      l.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      g.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      c.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      i.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      f.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      h.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      j.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      d.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      m.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      b.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77610   IN      NS      a.root-servers.net.
                          
                          ;; Query time: 0 msec
                          ;; SERVER: 140.90.33.237#53(140.90.33.237)
                          ;; WHEN: Tue Mar 21 10:55:07 DST 2017
                          ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 239
                          
                          bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig @140.172.17.237
                          
                          ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> @140.172.17.237
                          ; (1 server found)
                          ;; global options: +cmd
                          ;; Got answer:
                          ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 41634
                          ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 13, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
                          
                          ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
                          ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
                          ;; QUESTION SECTION:
                          ;.                              IN      NS
                          
                          ;; ANSWER SECTION:
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      e.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      k.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      l.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      g.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      c.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      i.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      f.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      h.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      j.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      d.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      m.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      b.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77590   IN      NS      a.root-servers.net.
                          
                          ;; Query time: 15 msec
                          ;; SERVER: 140.172.17.237#53(140.172.17.237)
                          ;; WHEN: Tue Mar 21 10:55:27 DST 2017
                          ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 239
                          
                          bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig @161.55.32.2
                          
                          ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> @161.55.32.2
                          ; (1 server found)
                          ;; global options: +cmd
                          ;; Got answer:
                          ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 51936
                          ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 13, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
                          
                          ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
                          ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
                          ;; QUESTION SECTION:
                          ;.                              IN      NS
                          
                          ;; ANSWER SECTION:
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      e.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      k.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      l.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      g.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      c.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      i.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      f.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      h.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      j.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      d.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      m.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      b.root-servers.net.
                          .                       77571   IN      NS      a.root-servers.net.
                          
                          ;; Query time: 15 msec
                          ;; SERVER: 161.55.32.2#53(161.55.32.2)
                          ;; WHEN: Tue Mar 21 10:55:46 DST 2017
                          ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 239
                          
                          bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig @140.90.33.237 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                          
                          ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> @140.90.33.237 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                          ; (1 server found)
                          ;; global options: +cmd
                          ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
                          bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig @140.172.17.237 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                          
                          ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> @140.172.17.237 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                          ; (1 server found)
                          ;; global options: +cmd
                          ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
                          
                          bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig @161.55.32.2 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                          
                          ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> @161.55.32.2 www.aviationweather.gov +short
                          ; (1 server found)
                          ;; global options: +cmd
                          ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
                          
                          bash@DESKTOP:~$ dig 140.90.101.207
                          
                          ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> 140.90.101.207
                          ;; global options: +cmd
                          ;; Got answer:
                          ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 22888
                          ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
                          
                          ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
                          ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
                          ;; QUESTION SECTION:
                          ;140.90.101.207.                        IN      A
                          
                          ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
                          .                       3287    IN      SOA     a.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2017032102 1800 900 604800 86400
                          
                          ;; Query time: 31 msec
                          ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
                          ;; WHEN: Tue Mar 21 10:57:50 DST 2017
                          ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 118
                          
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                          • johnpozJ Offline
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                            last edited by

                            If you can not get to those servers then yeah your not going to be able to resolve records they are authoritative for.  And since the ttl they have on them are very short..  This problem is going to come up all the time..

                            Can you ping them??

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                            • P Offline
                              pfBasic Banned
                              last edited by

                              No, I cannot ping them.

                              >ping 140.90.33.237
                              
                              Pinging 140.90.33.237 with 32 bytes of data:
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              
                              Ping statistics for 140.90.33.237:
                                  Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
                              
                              >ping 140.172.17.237
                              
                              Pinging 140.172.17.237 with 32 bytes of data:
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              
                              Ping statistics for 140.172.17.237:
                                  Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
                              
                              >ping 161.55.32.2
                              
                              Pinging 161.55.32.2 with 32 bytes of data:
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              
                              Ping statistics for 161.55.32.2:
                                  Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
                              
                              >ping 140.90.101.207
                              
                              Pinging 140.90.101.207 with 32 bytes of data:
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              Request timed out.
                              
                              Ping statistics for 140.90.101.207:
                                  Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
                              
                              >ping 139.130.4.5
                              
                              Pinging 139.130.4.5 with 32 bytes of data:
                              Reply from 139.130.4.5: bytes=32 time=169ms TTL=114
                              Reply from 139.130.4.5: bytes=32 time=171ms TTL=114
                              Reply from 139.130.4.5: bytes=32 time=168ms TTL=114
                              Reply from 139.130.4.5: bytes=32 time=169ms TTL=114
                              
                              Ping statistics for 139.130.4.5:
                                  Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
                              Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                                  Minimum = 168ms, Maximum = 171ms, Average = 169ms
                              
                              >ping 8.8.8.8
                              
                              Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
                              Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=60
                              Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=60
                              Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=60
                              Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=60
                              
                              Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
                                  Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
                              Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                                  Minimum = 47ms, Maximum = 48ms, Average = 47ms
                              
                              >ping 4.2.2.2
                              
                              Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data:
                              Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=55
                              Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=55
                              Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=55
                              Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=55
                              
                              Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:
                                  Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
                              Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                                  Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 15ms, Average = 14ms
                              
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                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                last edited by

                                well that is a bad test - I should of tried pinging them first before suggesting that.. they don't seem to answer ping..  But not having any problems doing dns queries to them..

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                                  pfBasic Banned
                                  last edited by

                                  Weird, it's in and out for me. I also have no issues with them when not using the resolver. I'll do the override and deal with it I suppose.

                                  Thank you again for taking your time to help me out!

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                                  • DerelictD Offline
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                                    last edited by

                                    But you can plainly see using proper DNS diagnostic tools like dig that the problem is not in the resolver, but in the ability to reach their authoritative servers.

                                    Maybe their name servers are overloaded because of the short-ass TTLs they're using.

                                    It used to be bad form to use such short TTLs.

                                    Still is, IMHO, for most anything but DDNS (which could be debated is no solution at all) and in advance of known, pending changes.

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                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                      I would think such a site gets quite a bit of traffic.. Using 120 second ttl has got to just be crazy for the amount dns queries their servers are taking.. which then points to another cname - that has a ttl of 300.. Really freaking stupid if you ask me!!

                                      And to top it all off that ending IP has not changed..

                                      And then to top of that one of their IPv6 is just down..

                                      Whoever is running their dns seems to be a sleep at the wheel..

                                      You could try sending them a message here
                                      https://www.aviationweather.gov/contact

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                                        pfBasic Banned
                                        last edited by

                                        I was assuming that it worked when I don't use the resolver because public DNS has the IP cached already? Seems like doing a host override is basically doing the same thing until their IP changes?

                                        Thanks, I will send them a message!

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                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          Yes using the forwarder would have you just get what they have cached..  But its going to have to be asking them ever 120 seconds as well ;)

                                          Your going to get something shorter as your answer because it will come from their cache..  So see when I ask googledns the ttls on the records are something shorter then what the authoritative servers set them too.  While if I ask one of the authoritative servers I get the full ttl to cache.

                                          I don't see that site changing.. might as well just put in a override for it vs some domain override to ask google or opendns.. Since your just going to be asking them over and over again just like your doing with the authoritative servers your having problem talking too.  While if you put in an override you can set the ttl to whatever you want so that clients just ask pfsense very X seconds..

                                          I think the default host overrides are 3600 seconds.  But you can always put in whatever ttl you want if you use the custome/advanced box to put in the record.

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                                          • K Offline
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                                            last edited by

                                            Very short TTLs are used for certain sites like akamai where they are used for additional load balancing and redundancy. On this type of site it's lunacy though, it's only going to bog down the authoritative servers that are most likely not very beefy this being a US government site.

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