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      dlucas46
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      @stephenw10:

      Other than the 3 things I changed it also has turbo mode disabled. Boot order is probably an issue too. I think it boots CF by default first though it does boot USB if CF is not present/not bootable.

      Steve

      Have you tried booting / installing from a SSD or other HDD?

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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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        I did a full install to CF card, no swap and /var and /tmp moved to RAM. Works fine…for now at least.  ;)

        I imagine it would boot from SATA no problem, the BIOS is not configured to only boot from CF just to boot from that first. So if you break your install you will need to format the CF card in something else or re-install in something else (which is what I did).

        Steve

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          iJay-XTM5
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          @Steve, would you mind sharing details on bios flashing/slowing the fans down?

          By a bit of luck, I will have a M400 headed my way in the near future. Are there any details on how to install pfsense on an M400? I have previously installed pfsense on an XTM525 via a CF card as well as externally with an SSD. I am planning to transplant the 120 GB sata drive from the XTM 525 to the M400.

          I'd appreciate any help/pointers with the installation.
          Thanks!

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            iJay-XTM5
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            I would like tp reiterate my request for help with the M400 box. I recently took delivery of the M400 and need help with flashing the bios. I have read the XTM5 thread but  unlike my XTM525, the M400 box does not seem to display the bios menu, via the console, during the boot process.
            I am not sure how the go about dumping the bios to the CF card, unlocking the options and flashing it back again. I'd be grateful if someone could point me to the right thread/direction.
            Many Thanks for your help!

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              Scorch95
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              What have you tried and what errors, if any are you getting? I would recommend putting a Hdd/ssd into an external enclosure and load pfSense that way. Then drop it into the m400 and finish setup that way. Remove CF entirely and it should boot after it doesn’t find a CF. When dealing with equipment outside what most will spend in a rack piece you’ll find yourself the guinea pig sometimes and will have to blaze ahead and create a new path so speak when you run into trouble.

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                iJay-XTM5
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                @Scorch95, I have not installed pfsense in the M400 box yet but I do have a working SSD installation which was working flawlessly in an XTM525 box. So far I have only booted the M400 with stock Watchguard firmware while I monitored the console output. The fans on this box appear to be equally noisy if not more than the XTM5 and I was hoping I would get the fans and bios fixed when I transplant the SSD into this box. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find instructions on how to patch the bios and am stuck for now.
                I have recently ordered an IDC12 connector to make a VGA monitor cable, so I can boot DOS. Hopefully I can use afu and get a copy of the bios to patch. I am not an expert at this and would rather prefer somebody smarter than me give me directions. I am willing to be the beta tester! At some point in the future I would also like to update the processor to an i3 which does AES-NI as the Celeron in the box currently is not able to execute AES-NI instructions.
                Will post details when I get DOS going.

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                  Scorch95
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                  I would go ahead and drop an ssd in with pfsense loaded and get it up and running before worrying about the other stuff. You can always look to replace the fans with quieter ones. Look for a used i3-4130 and you’ll be good

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                    iJay-XTM5
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                    It appears the M400 bios has been configured to boot only from the CF card. I transplanted a working SSD installation that has previously worked flawlessly in an XTM525 and the M400 would not boot. I did a fresh reinstall of pfsense on the SSD using another PC and plopped it into the M400, just as I had previously done with the XTM525, and the M400 refuses to boot.
                    I also tried switching from the SATA 4 to SATA 2 port but no luck. If anybody's gotten the M400 to boot off an SSD, I'd like your input on what I am doing wrong. I have a 120 GB HP SSD by the way. I do not have access to a CF card reader and will try booting off a CF card after I find one.
                    Thanks for your help!

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                      iJay-XTM5
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                      I managed to get the VGA port connected and the M400 is definitely not interested in booting anything other than the CF card. Here's the message the VGA screen displays:

                      Reboot and select proper Boot device
                      or InserBoot Media in Selected Boot device and press a key

                      Next step is to find a CF card reader

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                        Yeah, I couldn't make it boot USB. It should boot CF or SATA if CF is not present. So you should be able to write the install image to CF, boot from it and install to SATA and then boot from that after pulling the CF card.

                        Or you can install to CF in something else and swap it into the m400.

                        Steve

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                          iJay-XTM5
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                          Thanks Steve, I was able to successfully install pfsense by booting with the CF and installing to SSD.

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                            Testing
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                            Hello,

                            I have got an Firebox M500 with 4370T CPU. it boots fine in the original software, but won't install pfsense or opnsense.
                            The error I get is: usr/local/bin/cpdup -vvv -I -o
                            When I search on internet I find it has something to do with not enough RAM, but mine has 8gb ECC memory.
                            How did you install it?

                            Thanks in advance!

                            ADDED: I can boot CF with opnsense or pfsense. I can run installer, but both installers(and both manually and auto) give this error.

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                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              It might have bad RAM. That's not the standard CPU, is it the factory RAM?

                              Can we see a screenshot of the actual error you see?

                              Can you boot and run a Nano image as a test?:
                              https://nyifiles.pfsense.org/mirror/downloads/pfSense-CE-2.3.5-RELEASE-2g-amd64-nanobsd.img.gz

                              Steve

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                                Testing
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                                Ram during start of opnsense and pfsense: both show 8120mb present and usable.
                                Ram is factory standard, box wasn't opened until I replaced CPU. Box worked fine with factory OS.
                                After replacing the CPU(for AES-NI support), box still worked fine with factory OS.

                                Now I tried to install pfsense and because of error, also opnsense. Both halt at exactly the same command.

                                I have removed Dimm0, box gives error during installation.
                                I have removed Dimm1, box gives error during installation.

                                Tried the Nano image: box works fine.

                                Saw on internet that opnsense and pfsense updated to freebsd 11.1 and that gives errors.

                                Maybe I will try installation of older pfsense/opnsense?  Or maybe more ideas? I will post picture of error tomorrow.

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                  You're booting the installer on a CF card and installing to hard drive? Is the drive standard in the m500 or something you added?

                                  Personally I installed to a CF card in another box and then moved it across into the m400 I have. Never had any issues.

                                  You might try a 2.4.4 snapshot. If it's a known FreeBSD bug it might have been fixed in 11.2:
                                  https://www.pfsense.org/snapshots/

                                  Steve

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                                    Testing
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                                    Drive is not standard in m500, m500 is the same as m400 only with 8gb ecc memory instead of 4gb. I added a 120gb ssd, works fine in notebook. Also it receives some files, but not all(stops at the error).

                                    Thanks for your suggestion! Will try that tomorrow.

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                                      Testing
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                                      Tried version 2.4.x(newest)=>error
                                      Tried version 2.3.x(newest)=>error

                                      Error message is different on opnsense vs pfsense.
                                      Pfsense: CAM status: Uncorrecatable parity/CRC error
                                      It keeps retrying a couple of times and then gives up.

                                      Which sata port did you use?

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                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        You tried a 2.4.4 snapshot rather than 2.4.3?

                                        I'm not using SATA currently, I just installed to CF and booted that.

                                        That error looks like a bad disk though or bad disk controller or maybe some incompatibility between them.

                                        The original OS is on CF so I assume you have not booted anything from that drive?

                                        Steve

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                                          Testing
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                                          I tried 2.3.5, 2.4.3 and 2.4.4
                                          Al give the same error.
                                          Looks like it doesn't want to start anything on Sata(used port 2 and 4).

                                          CPU tested in notebook, works fine
                                          SSD tested in notebook, works fine
                                          PFsense on CF(4gb), all works fine

                                          The problem is installing to the ssd. The installer does recognize the ssd(sata3, correct speed, correct size, etc.), but gives error or when it looks like it installed everything(manually set MBR and don't use GPT/UEFI). After it looks like it completed installation without error, it won't boot from sata. So I think it didn't write anything to it.

                                          The original OS is on a 4gb CF and I also have my own 4gb CF(don't want to destroy the data on the original). My own 4GB CF is tested, works fine.

                                          PFsense runs fine on the CF, but I would like to install it on the ssd(faster, bigger, more functions, etc).

                                          IJay-XTM5, how did you install it?

                                          I think I am going to order IDC12 to VGA cable or make one myself and see if I can get into bios. Maybe there is an faulty setting there(legacy mode perhaps?). Or can I access bios over com-port?

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            The BIOS is password protected and I have not managed to remove it. Console redirect is not enabled by default either. But even after enabling it or hooking up VGA you can't enter setup.

                                            What size SSD is it? Something unusual? Can you try a different drive?

                                            You can full install to CF, which is what I did. Just be sure to remove the SWAP slice at install time and then move /var and /tmp to RAM drives after booting.

                                            Can you install to the SSD in the laptop and then move it back?

                                            Steve

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