Watchguard Firebox M400/M500
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@chpalmer said in Watchguard Firebox M400/M500:
@stephenw10 Seems to boot fine. Freakin fast compared..
But does it reboot though? There are a large number of 4th gen CPUs that just hang at reboot even with a different BIOS etc. The i3-4160 I have does not reboot for example and that makes it painful for anything!
Steve
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But does it reboot though?
I did a reboot this morning via the GUI "reroot" reboot. Came up fine. Is there another method you want me to try? This one is my primary firewall and I have to do things after hours unless I want to join "wine hour" here.. and Im fresh out of cheese.
(for those already typing.. yes I know how to spell whine. ;) )
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After some more testing with the new CPU.. Normal reboot does hang. Reroot reboot does not. I generally do not shut this one down ever so a non issue for me.
This box is 2.6..
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Urgh. Disappointing. I wish I knew what caused that.
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Anyone run into issues with putty spitting out giberish on startup?
Downloaded Memstick installer, used balena etcher (from my understanding Balena will automatically un zip the .gz file) to flash to the same exact model CF card (Except mine is 8gb and not 4gb). Popped the CF card in, powered on the M400, used COM3 port and its just spitting out random letters and characters. -
Typically that happens if the baud rate is mismatched. It's 115200bps by default.
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@stephenw10 Yup that did it! ive been so used to cisco It never occurs to me that would ever need to change. When I get to the part where it has me select the target disk it doesn't let me select the CF card. I hit enter with the CF card highlighted and it returns the message "Not Enough Disks selected. 0 < 1 minimum" any Ideas on this?
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You can't install onto the drive you booted from. You can install to a SATA SSD after booting from CF. Or you can boot from USB and and install to CF.
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I never realized that my M400 (i3-4370T) has been sucking away 40W 24/7. Thinking about doing the BIOS upgrade to enable SpeedStep as my system is barely stressed (1% CPU at this moment). Just curious - for anyone who has already enabled SpeedStep, what kind of power savings have you seen?
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Does it reboot correctly with that CPU out of interest?
The power draw can be affected by a number of things. Addtional drives. NIC that are linked. Fan speed. 40W does seem high though, how are you measuring it?
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@stephenw10 No, the i3-4370T has the reboot hang issue. Not a big deal as instead I just do a HALT, then power off and on with the button afterwards.
I'm measuring with an Emporia outlet device. At 1% load, I'm mostly idling. If SpeedStep is significant (e.g. drops it to less than 10W) it would be a worthwhile update, but I have no idea what to expect by enabling it.
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Enabling high C states usually has a greater affect, especially if your CPU is mostly idle.
Check the available C state and the 'lowest' value. The default Celeron and BIOS don't offer much:[2.7.0-DEVELOPMENT][admin@pfsense.fire.box]/root: sysctl dev.cpu.0 dev.cpu.0.temperature: 39.0C dev.cpu.0.coretemp.throttle_log: 0 dev.cpu.0.coretemp.tjmax: 100.0C dev.cpu.0.coretemp.resolution: 1 dev.cpu.0.coretemp.delta: 60 dev.cpu.0.cx_method: C1/hlt dev.cpu.0.cx_usage_counters: 66905813 dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% last 620us dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1 dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1/0 dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 _CID=none dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU -
@stephenw10 Sounds like it may be worth a try. I may try to pick up another M400 so I'll have a backup and maybe try to "downgrade" it to a i3-4130T as well. Lower clock should use less power and I hear it doesn't have the reboot issue so a win-win. Might also upgrade that machine to pfsense 2.6 as I'm on 2.4.5 currently.
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With an i3-4160 and unlocked BIOS to enable speedstep:
[2.7.0-DEVELOPMENT][admin@m400-2.stevew.lan]/root: sysctl dev.cpu.0 dev.cpu.0.temperature: 37.0C dev.cpu.0.coretemp.throttle_log: 0 dev.cpu.0.coretemp.tjmax: 100.0C dev.cpu.0.coretemp.resolution: 1 dev.cpu.0.coretemp.delta: 63 dev.cpu.0.cx_method: C1/hlt dev.cpu.0.cx_usage_counters: 20326 dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% last 1186us dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1 dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1/0 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3600/54000 3400/49609 3200/45377 3000/41815 2900/39829 2700/36458 2500/32748 2300/29177 2100/26204 1900/22916 1700/20193 1500/17168 1400/15710 1200/13290 1000/10588 800/8400 dev.cpu.0.freq: 800 dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 _CID=none dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPUKill-a-Watt style device shows it idles at ~27W
That CPU doesn't reboot though so upgrades are a PITA!
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@stephenw10 Oh, the i3-4130T is also on the reboot naughty list? I thought someone had posted in this thread that the 4130 was OK?
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@stephenw10 Oops, ignore my comment - just realized you were posting about the 4160 and not the 4130 re: reboots. I just bought another M400 on eBay for $50 and ordered a i3-4130T for a whopping $10! I'll probably set that up from scratch then swap firewalls keeping the current as a backup if I don't brick it doing the bios update.
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With Xanthos fully unlocked BIOS you can enabled higher C-states:
dev.cpu.0.temperature: 35.0C dev.cpu.0.coretemp.throttle_log: 0 dev.cpu.0.coretemp.tjmax: 100.0C dev.cpu.0.coretemp.resolution: 1 dev.cpu.0.coretemp.delta: 65 dev.cpu.0.cx_method: C1/mwait/hwc C2/mwait/hwc dev.cpu.0.cx_usage_counters: 210 8837 dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 2.32% 97.67% last 1629us dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1/1 C2/2/148 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3600/54000 3400/49609 3200/45377 3000/41815 2900/39829 2700/36458 2500/32748 2300/29177 2100/26204 1900/22916 1700/20193 1500/17168 1400/15710 1200/13290 1000/10588 800/8400 dev.cpu.0.freq: 800 dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 _CID=none dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPUNote that it spends almost the entire time in C2 if enabled. Idles at ~24W.
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@stephenw10 Just finished downloading Xanthos' files and various instructions posted between him and yourself. Do you think disabling the i3's iGPU in Xanthos' unlocked bios will reclaim a few watts?
Too bad it wasn't possible to get the 13W Xeon to work, that would have been crazy.
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The TDP rating of a CPU is only a guide to the cooling solution needed to run at full power. It does not tell you the minimum power consumption. Whilst the lower TDP devices usually do run at lower idle power it's often not by much. No where near what you might think if you only look at the TDP.
Using a CPU without on-board GPU can save a few Watts, I've tested that on earlier gen CPUs. I'm not sure if disabling it does much though. On more recent devices other users have demonstrated that loading a graphics driver that can put the GPU into an idle state can produce a decent saving. -
@stephenw10 BIOS update successful, but I have an embarrassing question - how do I install pfsense? ha ha
The last time I did it was when we had nano-bsd images and now we have the memstick images. I RUFUS'ed the image to CF, inserted it into the M400, booted, select install, select keyboard, then I get stuck when asked to partition the disk. ZFS takes me down some RAID path, UFS BIOS says "device busy", UFS EUFI also says "device busy". Any pointers?
Thanks!
