Any chance to bring back old forum look?



  • Dear all,

    i know that you are doing what is best on your power for us. But i really do not like this netgate look of forum. Is there any chance you left tick like "bring back old school forum look for ppls like me"?

    if not, I sure hoping this is just temporarly? Many thnx for all work you done on everything :)

    Cheers!


  • Galactic Empire Netgate

    No, as the old forum was not GDPR compliant. We've written a blog post about the reasons for the migration: https://www.netgate.com/blog/introducing-the-netgate-forum.html

    Many won't like new forum at first, as it's a big change after a long time. But it is more functional and responsive, it will grow on you. Give it a time, we're still working on many parts, so it's going to look better in the following days.



  • I do really like the new forum. Good work 👍

    Yes is new and more fancy, but at some point thing just change and you need to learn something new. It's hard for some people and easy for others. We just need to help each other :)



  • @ivor

    Oke,

    Many thnx for fast reply. Wish you luck to sort out everything without issues.

    Cheers!



  • @ivor So we pay for the EU passing a stupid law... Thought Rubicon/Electric Sheep was a Texas company? The genius of GDPR is that it forces companies to police each other.

    As someone with a visual disability this new format is harsh on the eyes. Where/when will the touted skins be available?


  • Galactic Empire Netgate

    When it comes to GDPR it doesn't matter if you're EU company of not (we're Austin, Texas based).

    As someone with a visual disability this new format is harsh on the eyes. Where/when will the touted skins be available?

    You can select several skins when you click on your user icon in top right corner and then select settings. I hope you find something that's ok for you.



  • The dark themes kinda stink. If you mark posts as read the font is too dark gray. I wish it would do bold and regular vs. White and dark a$$ gray.


  • Moderator

    @jawz101 I somehow agree the other themes are far from perfect.

    @jegr said in Better visibility of pinned messages:

    I'd also like something like a dark-default theme but perhaps not so dark as slate. But something along the lines of Solarized/Solarized Dark. So that one has the option to have a light and a dark version without the light one being "white only".

    Something like this palette: http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized

    As posted in the other thread, I hope that a theme using colors from solarized and solarized-dark palette would be possible, as those wouldn't be that angry to the eyes (in case of white) and have unreadable color combinations (in case of the dark/black themes).



  • A down vote here as well. 👎 I have used this style of forum on many other sites and never have liked it. It is very un-intuitive and not user friendly, and I'm not talking about the "skin". The old phpBBtype forum software is very user friendly and human usable. I can tell you that your new forum software will result in me visiting your forum much less then before, as I just find it very unappealing..

    As for the GDPR, the USA is a sovereign nation and Europe's laws do not apply to us US citizens here in the US. Negate is located in the US and must adhere to US laws, not European laws. That said, you may choose to comply with another countries laws on your site as long as they do not fall below the US laws nor conflict with them. Your choice, but I am voicing my dismay at your ready willingness to put Europe first over the US.

    Just my 2 cents...


  • Rebel Alliance Global Moderator

    @ar15usr

    You might want to do a bit more research on GDPR...

    Article 3 of the GDPR says that if you collect personal data or behavioral information from someone in an EU country, your company is subject to the requirements of the GDPR. Two points of clarification. First, the law only applies if the data subjects, as the GDPR refers to consumers, are in the EU when the data is collected. This makes sense: EU laws apply in the EU. For EU citizens outside the EU when the data is collected, the GDPR would not apply.

    That being said I am not sure about how they might be able to levy any fines, etc. Pfsense has a world wide following. And to be honest GDPR is good for all users, not just users of the EU... I applaud netgate/pfsense for compliance with the standard.

    And while they are HQ'd in US, they have employee's all over and some in the EU. There are clearly many members here on the forums that are from the EU.. So should they just go back to the old forum and kick all those users, purge all their accounts?



  • @johnpoz said in Any chance to bring back old forum look?:

    @ar15usr

    You might want to do a bit more research on GDPR...

    Article 3 of the GDPR says that if you collect personal data or behavioral information from someone in an EU country, your company is subject to the requirements of the GDPR. Two points of clarification. First, the law only applies if the data subjects, as the GDPR refers to consumers, are in the EU when the data is collected. This makes sense: EU laws apply in the EU. For EU citizens outside the EU when the data is collected, the GDPR would not apply.

    That being said I am not sure about how they might be able to levy any fines, etc. Pfsense has a world wide following. And to be honest GDPR is good for all users, not just users of the EU... I applaud netgate/pfsense for compliance with the standard.

    I don't, it's like political correctness. If you buy that sort of thing, good for you. GDPR is another globalist construct. How about just NOT collecting personal data....? No, that's not the Driven by Marketing, Corporate way.

    And while they are HQ'd in US, they have employee's all over and some in the EU. There are clearly many members here on the forums that are from the EU.. So should they just go back to the old forum and kick all those users, purge all their accounts?

    oh no.... but its quite alright to purge all the pertinent PMs of all users?!?!



  • @ivor said in Any chance to bring back old forum look?:

    No, as the old forum was not GDPR compliant. We've written a blog post about the reasons for the migration: https://www.netgate.com/blog/introducing-the-netgate-forum.html

    Many won't like new forum at first, as it's a big change after a long time. But it is more functional and responsive, it will grow on you. Give it a time, we're still working on many parts, so it's going to look better in the following days.

    Crap is crap, it does not "grow on you". But the bean counters must have been happy with it so therefor its better. As I always asked my AVPs - "Do you want the best product out there with our name on it... or the worst one you can get away with?"



  • @johnpoz

    "Two points of clarification. First, the law only applies if the data subjects, as the GDPR refers to consumers, are in the EU when the data is collected. This makes sense: EU laws apply in the EU. For EU citizens outside the EU when the data is collected, the GDPR would not apply."
    Exactly.

    "Article 3 of the GDPR says that if you collect personal data or behavioral information from someone in an EU country, your company is subject to the requirements of the GDPR."
    They can say that all they want, but it is an overreach, they simply cannot impose laws on citizens of other countries, period (who are not geographically located in the EU). If a EU resident visits some US based business' website with no presence in the EU, that website/company is not bound by the EU GDPR at all.

    A bit of a clarification on my part: if Netgate has business licenses in an EU country than that is different story, the law would apply to Netgate.

    "So should they just go back to the old forum and kick all those users, purge all their accounts?"
    No, in my opinion, if Netgate wants to, or is required to, comply with GDPR, they should use forum software that is GDPR compliant AND is more user friendly/appealing.

    AFAIC, the GDPR has good intentions, but its implication that they can regulate outside their Unions boundaries is bad for every earthling. It's a trend I hope we do not see continue, but unfortunately Europe has no concept of Liberty and Sovereignty...



  • @ar15usr We all need to quit griping about this website and just learn to use it. Netgate was/is not the only company to change their website due to the GDPR. Most every website you visit since the end of May 2018 requests that you to agree to the new GDPR terms and conditions to access their website. They have all made changes, maybe not as drastic as this, but it is useable.

    I didn't like this layout when they first changed it but I'm getting use to it and it really is not that bad. Actually in some cases I like it better than the old website and I think everyone else will once they stop complaining and get use to it.

    Just my 2 cents worth about the subject.......



  • @jdeloach
    Understood, ultimately I will have to use whatever site software they decide to use.

    But, I can provide feedback as a user of this site and that is what I did. They can decide to ignore or take into consideration as they wish...



  • People need to grow up and face reality. There is no going back. If you don't like the new forum and it really is an important issue in your life then just leave. Stop bitching and leave. You're not doing anything constructive, you're just whining. Many people have provided constructive, useful feedback and the Netgate team have responded quickly and effectively. Go to the pfSense subreddit or something.

    @ramosel Stop whining about your PMs. If they were really that important, you would have saved them locally. And really, "globalists"??? This isn't Breitbart. Save your alt-right buzzwords for some other forum.



  • @kom typical... bite me. kom(mie)?


  • Galactic Empire Netgate

    @ramosel said in Any chance to bring back old forum look?:

    I don’t, it’s like political correctness. If you buy that sort of thing, good for you. GDPR is another globalist construct. How about just NOT collecting personal data…? No, that’s not the Driven by Marketing, Corporate way.

    It's so we don't get sued and nothing else. We hated GDPR changes more than all of you together

    @ramosel said in Any chance to bring back old forum look?:

    oh no… but its quite alright to purge all the pertinent PMs of all users!!!

    Even if we technically could, migrating your private messages would be breach of trust and catastrophic.


  • Galactic Empire Netgate

    @ar15usr We had lawyers take a look at our public facing services. If things could have been done differently, we would have done it.

    Locking this thread now, everything necessary was said.


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