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Traffic shapping kills the ping

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    rexster
    last edited by Jun 13, 2006, 2:03 AM

    pfsense rc1. (cvs_sync yesterday).
    after running the traffic shapper wizard,
    my ping time to the pfsense goes very high

    when i remove the traffic shapper, the ping gets down to <1ms immediately.

    even when i give icmp higher priority, it still the same.

    the weird thing is, even when i gets lots of time out, i (sometimes) still able to browse the internet.
    and when i get lots of time out, resetting the states give back good pings.

    any ideas?
    tia
    rex

    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=1393ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=1442ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=1068ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=1464ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=1749ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=2327ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=2334ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=3003ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=3006ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=3165ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=3693ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=2988ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=3243ms TTL=64
    Request timed out.
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=3150ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=3095ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time=3194ms TTL=64
    Request timed out.
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
    Reply from 192.168.18.18: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64

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      sullrich
      last edited by Jun 13, 2006, 2:29 AM

      Thats a new one on me.  Sounds like something hardware related.

      When I enable the traffic shaper I can saturate 90% of by outbound traffic and maintain a 30ms ping.

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        rexster
        last edited by Jun 13, 2006, 2:54 AM

        cpu p3/500mhz, load around 5%
        memory 128mb, usage about 35%
        hdd 4gig
        4 nic, all 3com 509tx

        i just change the nic. before that, i use at2500 with rtl8139c chipset.
        maybe that?

        rgds,
        rex

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          sullrich
          last edited by Jun 13, 2006, 2:57 AM

          Yes.

          How about a quote from the realtek driver page.  I've sent it to the mailing list in the past:

          taken from /usr/src/sys/pci/if_rl.c

          /*

          • The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is
          • probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible
          • exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master
          • DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance
          • gains that bus-master DMA usually offers.
          • For transmission, the chip offers a series of four TX descriptor
          • registers. Each transmit frame must be in a contiguous buffer, aligned
          • on a longword (32-bit) boundary. This means we almost always have to
          • do mbuf copies in order to transmit a frame, except in the unlikely
          • case where a) the packet fits into a single mbuf, and b) the packet
          • is 32-bit aligned within the mbuf's data area. The presence of only
          • four descriptor registers means that we can never have more than four
          • packets queued for transmission at any one time.
          • Reception is not much better. The driver has to allocate a single large
          • buffer area (up to 64K in size) into which the chip will DMA received
          • frames. Because we don't know where within this region received packets
          • will begin or end, we have no choice but to copy data from the buffer
          • area into mbufs in order to pass the packets up to the higher protocol
          • levels.
          • It's impossible given this rotten design to really achieve decent
          • performance at 100Mbps, unless you happen to have a 400Mhz PII or
          • some equally overmuscled CPU to drive it.
          • On the bright side, the 8139 does have a built-in PHY, although
          • rather than using an MDIO serial interface like most other NICs, the
          • PHY registers are directly accessible through the 8139's register
          • space. The 8139 supports autonegotiation, as well as a 64-bit multicast
          • filter.
          • The 8129 chip is an older version of the 8139 that uses an external PHY
          • chip. The 8129 has a serial MDIO interface for accessing the MII where
          • the 8139 lets you directly access the on-board PHY registers. We need
          • to select which interface to use depending on the chip type.
            */
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            rexster
            last edited by Jun 13, 2006, 3:14 AM

            i use realtek before i change the nic.
            now, after i change it, it's 3com 509tx.

            so, any recommendation on good nic i should use?

            tia
            rex

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              sullrich
              last edited by Jun 13, 2006, 3:19 AM

              I generally try to stick with intel or 3com chipsets, but as anything YMMV.

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                JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator
                last edited by Jun 13, 2006, 8:28 AM

                Heard some comments from a kernel hacker I know, that (older) 3com aren't the top, too. Seems they also had some problems in the 3c905-series. 905c looks good to me, on older chipsets there was a bit of lazyness here and there, but only had that on openbsd (or netbsd). But I can fully agree to the intel nics, especially the server cards (small boards they are nowadays). They keep running smoothly without any problems so far.

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                  rexster
                  last edited by Jun 15, 2006, 2:26 AM

                  changed nic to 3com 905c-tx-m

                  seems not much change.

                  however, downgrade to beta3 (clean install) seems to fix my problem??

                  yet another of (my) weird experiences…

                  rgds,
                  rex

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                    sullrich
                    last edited by Jun 15, 2006, 2:27 AM

                    Beta 4 has major issues.  If you are not cvs_sync.sh releng_1 your copy then it's broken on beta4.

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