How to setup mobile connections for plain ipsec and l2tp at the same time.

[mooncaptain]

The l2tp instructions for the mobile device tab I have seen require a different configuration in conflict with the ipsec instructions for the same tab. It seems that it should be possible to setup l2tp or ipsec in a different p1/p2 configuration without using the mobile device tab at all but I haven't been able to find any instructions for that method (if it even is possible). Sort of a pre-mobile devices tab way of configuring both ipsec and lt2p.

Is there a way to do this: lt2p server and ipsec server at same time in pfsense?