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Pfsense high cpu usage KVM (Unraid)

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    BjornStevens @stephenw10
    last edited by Sep 5, 2019, 3:16 PM

    @stephenw10

    Hi, Thanks for your reply,

    I tried to find the /boot/loader.conf.local file but could only find a /boot/loader.conf
    I tried adding it into there ( hw.pci.honor_msi_blacklist=0 ) but still no change.
    It has done something because it moved up in the file.

    During speedtest i get these results with vmstat -i:
    ae70e044-cd64-426d-aa9b-831bafb1867b-afbeelding.png
    And when using the top -S -H command still get the same results.

    Any other suggestions?

    Thanks!

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      kiokoman LAYER 8
      last edited by Sep 5, 2019, 5:57 PM

      you need to create the file
      /boot/loader.conf.local
      if it's missing
      copy inside
      hw.pci.honor_msi_blacklist=0
      save and reboot

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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 3:35 AM

        Yup create the file if it doesn't exist. If you put it in loader.conf it may get overwritten.

        However that will only do anything for vmx NICs. You have em NICs there currently.

        Steve

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          BjornStevens @stephenw10
          last edited by BjornStevens Sep 6, 2019, 8:55 AM Sep 6, 2019, 8:50 AM

          @stephenw10 Allright, will set them to VMXNET3, reboot, create the file with the line and inform if there are any changes.

          Thanks for the help @kiokoman & @stephenw10 !

          Creating config file:
          982b0dd4-2c9c-4ecf-9ac8-be2915f3b4be-afbeelding.png

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            BjornStevens
            last edited by BjornStevens Sep 6, 2019, 9:19 AM Sep 6, 2019, 9:02 AM

            Okay so further testing will come in later but for now i seem to reach my maximum provider speed on my linux server behind the firewall:
            30ee4f36-acce-4b80-9fbf-49be03d205a0-afbeelding.png

            BUT it did drop back down to 14.4Megabyte's per second and go up and down all the time:
            9e4f1f56-336e-4798-bf02-06b239e5bad7-afbeelding.png
            Cpu usage seems to have set a bit:
            e79a25f5-47e3-4adf-983d-fd919f94def1-afbeelding.png

            Using SMB protocol i get this from moving a file WAN to LAN:
            e45d4618-c85f-4ace-af3c-533642fda829-afbeelding.png

            It's 2 virtual cores are running at nearly full power (cpu 6/7) (cpu 4 is being used on the server side in the LAN network.):
            45cb9478-33ab-446f-b5ad-60bca539c805-afbeelding.png

            I don't know if this is just a performance bug but speeds seem to have increased, altough cpu usage is still high (compared to the hardware specifications of pfsense)

            Changing to a quad core (virtual processor) did not change much either, cpu usage stays high on 2 cores:
            016158cd-9055-41c1-9087-e3bc4ac87e56-afbeelding.png

            Wish i could put my finger on the issue.

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              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 1:52 PM

              I still only see one tx queue and one rx queue on each NIC. Does vmstat -i show more?

              I assume you created that file in /boot

              Steve

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                BjornStevens @stephenw10
                last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 2:00 PM

                @stephenw10

                yep its placed under /boot/loader.conf.local
                9c8aefad-741a-439a-9981-93582a95b5a6-afbeelding.png

                vmstat -i during speedtest on server in lan side:
                a7a528cf-d4b7-4795-bc21-5c250ff4579f-afbeelding.png

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                  BjornStevens
                  last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 2:04 PM

                  I actually don't know how to read the vmstat -i, but i hope you might know more @stephenw10

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                    kiokoman LAYER 8
                    last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 2:10 PM

                    one queue

                    vmx0: tq0 (transmission queue 0)
                    vmx0: rq0 (receive queue 0)

                    with multiple queue you should see tq0 / tq1 etc etc

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                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by stephenw10 Sep 6, 2019, 2:16 PM Sep 6, 2019, 2:11 PM

                      Yeah, that. Though I don't have anything vmx to test again right now.
                      I think it probably is working as you are seeing the high numbered IRQs which MSI uses.
                      Try removing that line or commenting it out and rebooting. Do you see any change?

                      On other NICs you might see something like:

                      [2.4.4-RELEASE][root@5100.stevew.lan]/root: vmstat -i
                      interrupt                          total       rate
                      irq7: uart0                          432          0
                      irq16: sdhci_pci0                    536          0
                      cpu0:timer                      68688188       1001
                      cpu3:timer                       1069435         16
                      cpu2:timer                       1060293         15
                      cpu1:timer                       1086989         16
                      irq264: igb0:que 0                 68630          1
                      irq265: igb0:que 1                 68630          1
                      irq266: igb0:que 2                 68630          1
                      irq267: igb0:que 3                 68630          1
                      irq268: igb0:link                      3          0
                      irq269: igb1:que 0                 68630          1
                      irq270: igb1:que 1                 68630          1
                      irq271: igb1:que 2                 68630          1
                      irq272: igb1:que 3                 68630          1
                      irq273: igb1:link                      1          0
                      irq274: ahci0:ch0                   4473          0
                      irq290: xhci0                         85          0
                      irq291: ix0:q0                    216643          3
                      irq292: ix0:q1                     47933          1
                      irq293: ix0:q2                    325480          5
                      irq294: ix0:q3                    514752          7
                      irq295: ix0:link                       2          0
                      irq301: ix2:q0                     74629          1
                      irq302: ix2:q1                       507          0
                      irq303: ix2:q2                      1703          0
                      irq304: ix2:q3                     89446          1
                      irq305: ix2:link                       1          0
                      irq306: ix3:q0                     70295          1
                      irq307: ix3:q1                      4985          0
                      irq308: ix3:q2                    186433          3
                      irq309: ix3:q3                    413486          6
                      irq310: ix3:link                       1          0
                      Total                           74405771       1084
                      

                      https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=vmx#MULTIPLE_QUEUES

                      Steve

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                        kiokoman LAYER 8
                        last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 2:13 PM

                        try to add this on your loader.conf.local

                        hw.vmx.txnqueue="4"
                        hw.vmx.rxnqueue="4"
                        

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                          BjornStevens @kiokoman
                          last edited by BjornStevens Sep 6, 2019, 2:31 PM Sep 6, 2019, 2:29 PM

                          @kiokoman & @stephenw10

                          I added the rule with
                          hw.vmx.txnqueue="4"
                          hw.vmx.rxnqueue="4"

                          I did not see any change whatsoever in vmstat -i:
                          5aef0aff-dddc-4b0e-936f-aead27b125d6-afbeelding.png

                          and commenting out the first rule also did not change anything:
                          1f593ee1-26de-4e5d-b6b4-e79c72ffecd6-afbeelding.png

                          Edit:

                          Even when doing a download on a server in LAN and using top -S -H i have this outcome:
                          1adb31da-90e6-406b-99d7-968622a15c02-afbeelding.png

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                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 3:31 PM

                            You are seeing load on all CPUs there and none is at 100% so it's not CPU limited at that point.

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                              BjornStevens @stephenw10
                              last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 3:55 PM

                              @stephenw10 i have increased it before to 4 cores running at 4ghz. Right now i dont know what to do at all:( i really like the easy way of working with pfsense but i dont know what further investigation i can do because the cpu usage is skyrocket high with 250mbit/s

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                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by stephenw10 Sep 29, 2019, 7:25 PM Sep 6, 2019, 4:33 PM

                                Yes, there is something significantly wrong with your virtualisation setup there. You can pass 250Mbps with a something ancient and slow like a 1st gen APU at 1GHz.

                                Steve

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                                  BjornStevens @stephenw10
                                  last edited by Sep 6, 2019, 4:56 PM

                                  @stephenw10 Poor me then, i will see if i will try some other things with this setup

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                                    kiokoman LAYER 8
                                    last edited by kiokoman Sep 6, 2019, 5:18 PM Sep 6, 2019, 5:17 PM

                                    to me the problem should be investigated on the vm side more than from inside pfsense. i see on google that people tend to bridge the interface instead off using the passthrough for unraid.
                                    personally, for example, i was never able to make pfSense work reliable under virtualbox and i had to change the vm to qemu/kvm

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                                      BjornStevens
                                      last edited by Sep 28, 2019, 8:50 PM

                                      Here a little update: i changed from pfsense to the OPNsense. Kind off the same thing but OPNsense seemed to handle the troughput way better with way lower usage. Right now i am able to run power safe mode (all 8 cores on 1.4Ghz) where 4 cores are for the firewall and get 250mbit without a problem. I am now using this firewall for all the network traffic in my house. So far no issues.

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                                        tinysnake
                                        last edited by Nov 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

                                        same thing here, i'm using intel cpu and yet very high cpu usage.
                                        I have a 4 port NIC, and I passthrough 2 ports to pfSense, 1 port for WAN, and 1 port for LAN.
                                        I saw a comment on reddit says:

                                        it sounds like you've got your WAN to one port of your Intel NIC and the LAN to the other port of your Intel NIC... I don't think that's it's intended use. Each physical NIC should be for one purpose, LAN or WAN but not both. Maybe I'm wrong on that but I've always seen Dual or Quad NICs used as all LAN ports. (reddit)

                                        I'm wondering if this really a bad thing? I have other openwrt installed before and never have this issue, or maybe you guys have a workaround to fix this?

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                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by Nov 27, 2019, 12:40 PM

                                          No that doesn't make any difference. pfSense just sees those as individual NICs.

                                          Steve

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